WEBVTT NOTE This transcript was created on 2026-05-04 at 16:27:53 1 00:00:30.000 --> 00:00:33.060 Hello, dear listeners, and welcome back to Flight Through 2 00:00:33.060 --> 00:00:33.659 Entirety. 3 00:00:33.719 --> 00:00:37.560 The only Doctor Who podcast who very happily be adopted by Howard 4 00:00:37.560 --> 00:00:38.039 Foster. 5 00:00:38.100 --> 00:00:38.759 I'm Brendan. 6 00:00:38.820 --> 00:00:43.380 I'm Nathan I'm an interstellar signalling, possibly Greek relic of 7 00:00:43.380 --> 00:00:47.340 a very shiny and potentially platinum-based material, but it's 8 00:00:47.340 --> 00:00:48.179 certainly looking rude. 9 00:00:49.799 --> 00:00:52.020 It's Planet of Fire. 10 00:01:19.079 --> 00:01:22.019 Well, we've all been branding each other for this podcast, and 11 00:01:22.019 --> 00:01:23.459 with my God, doesn't it hurt? 12 00:01:23.519 --> 00:01:24.180 Really? 13 00:01:24.239 --> 00:01:26.400 How long did it take you to get through this one? 14 00:01:26.459 --> 00:01:29.400 In fact, I watched it all last night in one sitting. 15 00:01:29.519 --> 00:01:30.180 Me too. 16 00:01:30.239 --> 00:01:32.700 And I had to do the director's cut because I was assured it was 17 00:01:32.700 --> 00:01:33.299 shorter. 18 00:01:33.359 --> 00:01:35.519 I'm very excited to be back on the planet Khan. 19 00:01:35.579 --> 00:01:36.599 Oh, hang on, son. 20 00:01:36.659 --> 00:01:37.920 Hang on, Khan. 21 00:01:37.980 --> 00:01:41.819 Isn't this a remake of Spa Bath of Morpius? 22 00:01:41.879 --> 00:01:44.099 I mean, you know, we've got a lovely big licking flame. 23 00:01:44.159 --> 00:01:47.099 We've got Anthony Ainley doing his Edward Woodwood, wouldn't you? 24 00:01:47.159 --> 00:01:51.180 Got Peter Wingard as the leader of the sisterhood? 25 00:01:51.239 --> 00:01:54.239 Oh, we actually do, and this is the point. 26 00:01:54.299 --> 00:01:56.519 I believe he was the mother all the time. 27 00:01:56.579 --> 00:01:59.700 Now, we're never allowed to have Kenneth Williams and Doctor Who 28 00:01:59.700 --> 00:02:02.400 but it almost doesn't matter because we have Peter Wingard. 29 00:02:02.459 --> 00:02:05.939 I think he's actually one of the best actors to ever appear. 30 00:02:06.000 --> 00:02:09.780 He gives great gravitas to this performance, and my goodness 31 00:02:09.780 --> 00:02:10.319 doesn't he? 32 00:02:10.379 --> 00:02:13.259 Doesn't he languor and savour his lines? 33 00:02:13.379 --> 00:02:14.639 smell con. 34 00:02:14.699 --> 00:02:16.319 Do you know he? 35 00:02:16.379 --> 00:02:16.919 You're right. 36 00:02:16.979 --> 00:02:18.300 You are the chosen one. 37 00:02:18.360 --> 00:02:18.840 You know that. 38 00:02:19.199 --> 00:02:23.219 He reminds me of Jackie Hill's character from Megloss. 39 00:02:23.280 --> 00:02:24.000 Oh, Alexa. 40 00:02:24.000 --> 00:02:28.319 Yeah, because she's like the intransigent religious leader. playing 41 00:02:28.319 --> 00:02:28.860 the same thing. 42 00:02:28.919 --> 00:02:31.020 Yeah, I think it's simply because he looked at that and he said 43 00:02:31.020 --> 00:02:31.439 right. 44 00:02:31.500 --> 00:02:33.180 Jackie can do it. 45 00:02:33.240 --> 00:02:34.319 Yeah, yeah. 46 00:02:34.379 --> 00:02:37.139 I remember at the time saying that I thought... 47 00:02:37.139 --> 00:02:38.219 Interchangeable, aren't they? 48 00:02:38.280 --> 00:02:39.360 Jacqueline Hillen. 49 00:02:39.419 --> 00:02:43.800 Peter Wingard, can you imagine if Billy had had Peter Wingard in 50 00:02:43.800 --> 00:02:45.840 the Barbara role right from the start? 51 00:02:45.900 --> 00:02:51.060 We may not have been doing this podcast with alternative reality. 52 00:02:51.180 --> 00:02:53.520 We've seen his hair in Jason King. 53 00:02:53.580 --> 00:02:54.419 It's not that far. 54 00:02:54.479 --> 00:02:55.379 No that is true. 55 00:02:55.439 --> 00:02:56.939 That is really cool. 56 00:02:57.000 --> 00:02:57.960 Do you know what I watched last night? 57 00:02:58.020 --> 00:02:59.280 I took over Jason King. 58 00:02:59.340 --> 00:03:01.919 Do the do the dear listeners know who Peter Wingard where Peter 59 00:03:01.919 --> 00:03:03.060 Wingard comes from? 60 00:03:03.120 --> 00:03:04.680 Should we just quickly gloss over that now? 61 00:03:04.740 --> 00:03:08.400 Because, again, we've gone back to our usual state after it. having 62 00:03:08.400 --> 00:03:10.020 dealt with Eric Saywood in the last one? 63 00:03:10.080 --> 00:03:13.919 So we're onto this lovely Peter Grimwade written script that was 64 00:03:13.919 --> 00:03:19.199 actually all about counterreligious diatride and say we'd cut most 65 00:03:19.199 --> 00:03:21.060 of it out so that it would be palatable. 66 00:03:21.120 --> 00:03:23.219 Which is why Grim Wade refused to write for the show again. 67 00:03:23.280 --> 00:03:25.919 So he was banned from directing and then banned himself from 68 00:03:25.919 --> 00:03:26.520 writing. 69 00:03:26.580 --> 00:03:29.879 But we still get flavours of it with Timonoff. 70 00:03:29.939 --> 00:03:30.300 Yeah. 71 00:03:30.360 --> 00:03:33.960 I mean, it's a fairly tired trope, and it's not like we haven't 72 00:03:33.960 --> 00:03:37.860 seen it before, as I said, Meglos in Meglos. 73 00:03:37.919 --> 00:03:40.199 Lex's character is the same. 74 00:03:40.259 --> 00:03:41.520 She's a religious leader. 75 00:03:41.580 --> 00:03:42.900 She wants to sacrifice people. 76 00:03:42.960 --> 00:03:46.860 There are more rational people on her planet who kind of patronise 77 00:03:46.860 --> 00:03:50.879 her and don't really listen to her and she's sort of very 78 00:03:50.879 --> 00:03:51.479 fervent. 79 00:03:51.539 --> 00:03:53.460 Timonov's kind of the same. 80 00:03:53.520 --> 00:03:57.659 He's manipulable and gullible in the eyes of the other characters 81 00:03:57.659 --> 00:04:00.960 because they're all just able to say, you know, Loga is expressing 82 00:04:00.960 --> 00:04:02.159 his disapproval or whatever. 83 00:04:02.219 --> 00:04:07.080 But he has such truthiness in his performance and really hurdles 84 00:04:07.080 --> 00:04:07.680 his air. 85 00:04:07.740 --> 00:04:13.139 Well, both Lexa and Timonov have a kind of nobility, which is, I 86 00:04:13.139 --> 00:04:16.079 think, brought to the characters by the actors rather than being 87 00:04:16.079 --> 00:04:17.519 in the script. 88 00:04:17.579 --> 00:04:21.000 He does it without a Diana Dawes wig and, you know, I think he 89 00:04:21.000 --> 00:04:23.579 probably has a Diana Dawes wig under that headdress. 90 00:04:23.639 --> 00:04:25.740 John does give great all-round performances. 91 00:04:25.800 --> 00:04:28.860 The press at the time said he was underused in this and that it 92 00:04:28.860 --> 00:04:31.740 was a welcome return, which should just say Pittowing Guard 93 00:04:31.740 --> 00:04:35.399 started in shows like The Avengers, in one of our favourite 94 00:04:35.399 --> 00:04:37.019 episodes, A Touch of Brimstone. 95 00:04:37.079 --> 00:04:40.019 He then appeared in shows like The Champions. 96 00:04:40.079 --> 00:04:44.040 He then got his own feature in a 3 character riding department S 97 00:04:44.040 --> 00:04:47.519 which was a sort of like strange things investigated by a writer 98 00:04:47.519 --> 00:04:51.060 and agent and a Gil called Annabelle with a phoney French accent. 99 00:04:51.120 --> 00:04:52.800 It's one of my favourite ITC shows. 100 00:04:52.860 --> 00:04:56.459 He then went on to Jason King, which was apparently Ronnie 101 00:04:56.459 --> 00:04:59.040 Corbett's favourite show to Lampoon. 102 00:04:59.100 --> 00:05:00.060 He did it several times. 103 00:05:00.120 --> 00:05:03.600 We watched Jason King last night in preparation for this podcast 104 00:05:03.600 --> 00:05:04.920 myself and some friends. 105 00:05:04.980 --> 00:05:09.959 And I have to say that the 70s really is the Roman Empire, it's a 106 00:05:09.959 --> 00:05:10.620 1000 years ago. 107 00:05:10.680 --> 00:05:11.459 It makes no sense. 108 00:05:11.519 --> 00:05:15.779 But Wingard, Wingard is point perfect in everything he does. 109 00:05:15.839 --> 00:05:17.040 And it's really old school. 110 00:05:17.160 --> 00:05:19.500 He was the pert we all the time in the bigger medium. 111 00:05:19.560 --> 00:05:21.060 And when he came to Australia. 112 00:05:21.120 --> 00:05:25.319 He had the same amount of mobbing that the Beatles had in 72. 113 00:05:25.500 --> 00:05:30.060 Is his look the basis for the look of Mike Myers character? 114 00:05:30.120 --> 00:05:30.959 Yes, yes. 115 00:05:31.019 --> 00:05:32.220 Yes, and Davos's mask. 116 00:05:32.279 --> 00:05:33.180 Yeah. 117 00:05:33.240 --> 00:05:38.819 Now, a misconception that I had coming into this story, but I 118 00:05:38.819 --> 00:05:40.800 looked into it, as I understood it. 119 00:05:40.860 --> 00:05:43.800 This was his 1st role on TV in a while. 120 00:05:43.800 --> 00:05:48.000 Yeah, since his archeological interest in British cottages ended 121 00:05:48.000 --> 00:05:48.600 his career, yeah. 122 00:05:48.660 --> 00:05:51.899 Well, nowadays you just get a whole album covers. 123 00:05:51.959 --> 00:05:55.740 You've got a recording contract for doing it, George Michael. 124 00:05:56.100 --> 00:06:01.319 He actually went over to Europe to work in theatre for about 7 125 00:06:01.319 --> 00:06:03.540 years and... 126 00:06:03.600 --> 00:06:06.060 Well, the thing is, he only came back because he got this job 127 00:06:06.060 --> 00:06:06.540 offer. 128 00:06:06.600 --> 00:06:08.279 He said in a later interview. 129 00:06:08.399 --> 00:06:09.720 Oh, no, I was perfectly happy over there. 130 00:06:09.779 --> 00:06:11.040 If they didn't want me, I don't care. 131 00:06:11.100 --> 00:06:14.100 I got work over here, but I got an offer to work on Doctor Who, and 132 00:06:14.100 --> 00:06:16.439 it was in Lanzarote, who's going to say no to that. 133 00:06:16.500 --> 00:06:19.199 And then he saw Highgrove and thought, oh, it's not just a house 134 00:06:19.199 --> 00:06:21.720 what royals live in. could move in there as well. 135 00:06:21.899 --> 00:06:25.319 These days he actually looks a lot like Ben Kingsley. 136 00:06:25.379 --> 00:06:27.660 Is he still? 137 00:06:27.660 --> 00:06:28.439 No, no. 138 00:06:28.500 --> 00:06:30.240 I was talking about Malcong. 139 00:06:30.300 --> 00:06:31.800 Peter Wing. 140 00:06:31.920 --> 00:06:32.879 I think that is still with us. 141 00:06:32.939 --> 00:06:36.899 He is quite wondrous and does commentary. and he's truly fruity. 142 00:06:36.959 --> 00:06:38.459 Yes, yes, very. 143 00:06:38.519 --> 00:06:40.860 He was Alan Bates's partner for over 20 years. 144 00:06:40.920 --> 00:06:43.379 Alan Bates and the go-between all those other things. 145 00:06:43.439 --> 00:06:43.740 Yeah, yeah. 146 00:06:43.800 --> 00:06:45.360 And it was a very open secret in the UK. 147 00:06:45.420 --> 00:06:47.879 So I'm really shocked that his career was ended. 148 00:06:47.939 --> 00:06:53.040 But again, if you're the number one lady swoon. and you're then 149 00:06:53.040 --> 00:06:56.339 caught, you know, taking inside legs in gentlemen's conveniences 150 00:06:56.339 --> 00:06:58.139 without warming your tape first. 151 00:06:58.620 --> 00:07:01.019 I think we're having go to have a lot more fun on this podcast 152 00:07:01.019 --> 00:07:04.379 here, listener, than we had on last week's Resurrection, which was 153 00:07:04.379 --> 00:07:05.459 anything but, wasn't it? 154 00:07:05.519 --> 00:07:08.220 It was really an internment, entombment of the Diaks. 155 00:07:08.339 --> 00:07:09.839 Well, I think the... 156 00:07:09.839 --> 00:07:10.680 It should have been in that though. 157 00:07:10.800 --> 00:07:12.300 Why isn't he playing Deveros? 158 00:07:12.360 --> 00:07:14.519 Well, why wasn't he playing Beryl Reed in that story? 159 00:07:14.579 --> 00:07:16.680 I mean, you know, Midway story? 160 00:07:16.740 --> 00:07:17.519 does, doesn't he? 161 00:07:17.579 --> 00:07:19.319 That story could have used a barrel reed. 162 00:07:19.379 --> 00:07:22.560 Oh, while we were on senior women who are perhaps not quite well 163 00:07:22.560 --> 00:07:23.819 as treated as they should have been. 164 00:07:23.879 --> 00:07:25.259 Barbara Shelley. 165 00:07:25.319 --> 00:07:29.399 We've got Barbara, we've got Venus, as in from Venus with love 166 00:07:29.399 --> 00:07:31.019 this season opener for the colour rig. 167 00:07:31.439 --> 00:07:33.899 Totally underused in this. 168 00:07:33.959 --> 00:07:36.180 And she's the only woman on the entire planet. 169 00:07:36.300 --> 00:07:36.720 Exactly. 170 00:07:36.720 --> 00:07:38.699 She's like Smurfett. isn't she? 171 00:07:38.699 --> 00:07:39.360 Smurf. 172 00:07:39.420 --> 00:07:41.100 She's lady wallpaper smurfette. 173 00:07:41.160 --> 00:07:41.399 Thank you. 174 00:07:41.459 --> 00:07:41.759 Yes. 175 00:07:41.819 --> 00:07:43.920 What does she do, Brendan? 176 00:07:43.980 --> 00:07:49.379 Well, she seems to be the sort of den mother of the unbelievers. 177 00:07:49.439 --> 00:07:51.779 Now that's a t-shirt. 178 00:07:51.839 --> 00:07:52.620 She's good. 179 00:07:52.680 --> 00:07:54.779 I think I want that on my CV. 180 00:07:54.839 --> 00:07:58.740 I'd like to say about the sort of anti-religious element. 181 00:07:58.800 --> 00:08:01.319 I think Eric Saywood was right to turn it down because I think 182 00:08:01.319 --> 00:08:06.360 it's just balanced enough because if you had made it an extreme 183 00:08:06.360 --> 00:08:10.379 anti-religious polemic, you would have painted Timon off as the 184 00:08:10.379 --> 00:08:10.740 villain. 185 00:08:10.800 --> 00:08:12.899 And I don't think Timinoff is a villain. 186 00:08:12.959 --> 00:08:14.279 Timonoff is... 187 00:08:14.279 --> 00:08:15.120 Yeah, he's played too well. 188 00:08:15.240 --> 00:08:18.480 But yeah, it's also Eric Seyward's utter reluctance to say 189 00:08:18.480 --> 00:08:21.600 anything substantial or political in any of his stories. 190 00:08:21.660 --> 00:08:25.199 And so he's uncomfortable with anyone else doing anything thematic 191 00:08:25.199 --> 00:08:25.800 at all. 192 00:08:25.860 --> 00:08:30.360 The thing is, I think in downplaying it, it's actually more 193 00:08:30.360 --> 00:08:33.240 powerful, especially skipping to the end. 194 00:08:33.299 --> 00:08:35.159 Timonov's last scene. 195 00:08:35.220 --> 00:08:40.019 Armyand, who's played by James Bate, has been saying all the way 196 00:08:40.019 --> 00:08:43.139 along, Logar's a myth, and he actually has proof, and he comes in 197 00:08:43.139 --> 00:08:48.179 the guise of Logar, and... 198 00:08:48.179 --> 00:08:50.820 In a lovely tinfoil turkey wrap just in time for the season. 199 00:08:50.879 --> 00:08:53.340 Timonov sort of has a bit of a chuckle about it. 200 00:08:53.399 --> 00:08:55.620 But then Armyand, who's been fighting with him all the time. 201 00:08:55.679 --> 00:08:59.220 Timon sentenced him to death at least 3 times over the course of 202 00:08:59.220 --> 00:08:59.580 the story. 203 00:08:59.639 --> 00:09:00.899 Amion says, look, come with us. 204 00:09:01.139 --> 00:09:02.820 We still need you. 205 00:09:02.879 --> 00:09:06.240 Yes, and there's that lovely line of maybe logo wanted you to be 206 00:09:06.240 --> 00:09:07.559 saved. 207 00:09:07.620 --> 00:09:08.340 Yeah, I like that too. 208 00:09:08.399 --> 00:09:09.120 It's gorgeous. 209 00:09:09.179 --> 00:09:10.919 He believes right until the end. 210 00:09:10.980 --> 00:09:15.360 And instead of tearing down that belief, Armyand allows him 211 00:09:15.360 --> 00:09:17.039 definitely. 212 00:09:17.100 --> 00:09:17.639 Yeah. 213 00:09:17.700 --> 00:09:20.879 I mean, it's kind of relevant in today's political climate. 214 00:09:20.940 --> 00:09:23.159 I was just going to say, it's a great way for the left to learn 215 00:09:23.159 --> 00:09:26.820 how to address the opposition, whatever colour that they choose to 216 00:09:26.820 --> 00:09:29.700 take, because we can be a little bit self-righteous, can't we? 217 00:09:29.759 --> 00:09:34.620 Yeah, and you can be right without tearing down the dignity of the 218 00:09:34.620 --> 00:09:34.980 other person. 219 00:09:35.039 --> 00:09:41.159 But at the same time, Timonov's opinion does not and should not 220 00:09:41.159 --> 00:09:43.740 carry the same weight as Amian science. 221 00:09:43.799 --> 00:09:48.120 And this is this is something that is in the political sphere a 222 00:09:48.120 --> 00:09:48.299 lot. 223 00:09:48.360 --> 00:09:50.159 People saying, well, I've got a right to an opinion. 224 00:09:50.220 --> 00:09:53.220 And I read a great meme on it the other day, which is, okay, an 225 00:09:53.220 --> 00:09:55.620 opinion is whether you like coffee or tea. 226 00:09:55.679 --> 00:09:59.220 An opinion is not, I don't think black people are people. 227 00:09:59.639 --> 00:10:01.679 And that's the thing. 228 00:10:01.740 --> 00:10:05.100 Timonov here is kind of like unbelievers deserve to burn. 229 00:10:05.159 --> 00:10:09.480 Well, that doesn't quite have the same validity of opinion as, I 230 00:10:09.480 --> 00:10:12.360 think that what you think is a god is actually a technological 231 00:10:12.360 --> 00:10:12.600 thing. 232 00:10:12.659 --> 00:10:17.220 And the story doesn't bash us over the head with an answer for 233 00:10:17.220 --> 00:10:21.120 that saying, well, it kind of says, look, Timonov's wrong, but it 234 00:10:21.120 --> 00:10:23.940 presents it in such a way that you kind of go, well, you can 235 00:10:23.940 --> 00:10:26.159 understand why Timonov thought what he thought. 236 00:10:26.399 --> 00:10:31.200 The issue is there's no arbiter between the 2 of them that can 237 00:10:31.200 --> 00:10:35.220 force Timonov to only accept rational beliefs. 238 00:10:35.340 --> 00:10:40.799 And so Turlo in particular, I think, reaches out to Timonoff, they 239 00:10:40.799 --> 00:10:46.200 all speak in terms of loga, and they all speak in terms of what 240 00:10:46.200 --> 00:10:49.019 Timonoff can contribute to the community. 241 00:10:49.080 --> 00:10:53.639 And I think all of that conciliation stuff isn't being spineless 242 00:10:53.639 --> 00:10:55.740 or it's not refusing to stand up for the truth. 243 00:10:55.799 --> 00:10:59.340 It's something pragmatic and something kind of kindly and 244 00:10:59.340 --> 00:11:00.779 something a bit empathetic. 245 00:11:00.840 --> 00:11:03.179 And, you know, like, I think maybe this, we're kind of 246 00:11:03.179 --> 00:11:08.220 overinterpreting. what is slightly crapper than than we're making 247 00:11:08.220 --> 00:11:08.820 it sound. 248 00:11:08.879 --> 00:11:14.639 But I think there is something nice about the way that Timonoff is 249 00:11:14.639 --> 00:11:16.679 reintegrated into the community. 250 00:11:16.740 --> 00:11:21.600 Even though his belief system at the end has been largely defanged 251 00:11:21.600 --> 00:11:22.080 and defeated. 252 00:11:22.200 --> 00:11:24.480 Well, he did want to set fire to people. 253 00:11:24.539 --> 00:11:26.220 Yeah, and that's wrong, Richard. 254 00:11:26.279 --> 00:11:29.639 Yeah, we do want to make that clear to our listeners at home. 255 00:11:29.700 --> 00:11:31.259 Don't burn people. 256 00:11:31.320 --> 00:11:33.360 We did cover that in the Awakening, didn't we? 257 00:11:33.419 --> 00:11:36.840 We're kind of like Willow should have been beheaded, but now we're 258 00:11:36.840 --> 00:11:40.080 being really nice about Tim and off because, I don't know, he's an 259 00:11:40.080 --> 00:11:41.159 archbishop in a rock. 260 00:11:41.220 --> 00:11:43.740 Yeah, he's great frog. 261 00:11:43.799 --> 00:11:47.279 Well, you know, and he's far too ill to attend any inquiries or 262 00:11:47.279 --> 00:11:47.820 something. 263 00:11:47.879 --> 00:11:49.259 Anyway. 264 00:11:49.259 --> 00:11:57.000 I mean, on the topic of religion on a personal note, I grew up 265 00:11:57.000 --> 00:12:00.539 Roman Catholic, like Fulham baptised... 266 00:12:00.539 --> 00:12:01.019 Confirmed. 267 00:12:01.080 --> 00:12:02.039 I was an altar boy. 268 00:12:02.879 --> 00:12:08.639 I sort of look back on that now and in my mind, with any religion 269 00:12:08.639 --> 00:12:11.700 you have 2 groups in that religion. 270 00:12:11.759 --> 00:12:14.279 You have the people who live that religion day to day and they 271 00:12:14.279 --> 00:12:15.480 live the messages of it. 272 00:12:15.539 --> 00:12:18.480 They don't necessarily refer back to their holy book and say, oh 273 00:12:18.480 --> 00:12:21.299 well, you know, I can only eat fish on this day. 274 00:12:21.360 --> 00:12:23.940 Instead, they say, oh, this person is hungry. 275 00:12:24.000 --> 00:12:26.279 I will give them food. whatever it is. 276 00:12:26.340 --> 00:12:28.679 And then you've got the people who say, oh, well, you can only eat 277 00:12:28.679 --> 00:12:29.340 fish on this day. 278 00:12:29.399 --> 00:12:31.320 Oh, but I'm allowed to have tattoos. 279 00:12:31.379 --> 00:12:32.220 No, we ignore that bit. 280 00:12:32.279 --> 00:12:37.799 And what I think this story is missing slightly is we have Timonov 281 00:12:37.799 --> 00:12:41.100 who is the high up in this religion, but we don't really see 282 00:12:41.100 --> 00:12:44.279 people living within the religion in a day-to-day life. 283 00:12:44.340 --> 00:12:46.740 All we know about this religion is if you don't believe in the 284 00:12:46.740 --> 00:12:47.700 religion, you get burned. 285 00:12:47.759 --> 00:12:49.320 But we don't know what the religion is. 286 00:12:49.379 --> 00:12:53.100 Well, you know, there's a sense in which, and we've been talking 287 00:12:53.100 --> 00:12:56.220 for a while, and we've been talking about this is if it's the main 288 00:12:56.220 --> 00:13:02.340 plot, but in fact, this is very clearly not the focus of the 289 00:13:02.340 --> 00:13:02.639 story. 290 00:13:02.700 --> 00:13:04.740 Yeah, actually this is just world building. 291 00:13:04.799 --> 00:13:08.879 Yeah, we spoke last week about the fact that we're about to have 292 00:13:08.879 --> 00:13:10.379 this big cast change. 293 00:13:10.440 --> 00:13:13.620 All 3 of the regular cast members are leaving one story at a time 294 00:13:13.620 --> 00:13:16.200 and that they've decided to stagger it. 295 00:13:16.259 --> 00:13:22.919 And so this is the story that writes out Turlow and Chameleon and 296 00:13:22.919 --> 00:13:29.279 Anthony Ainley's master, probably, it introduces Perry, and it 297 00:13:29.279 --> 00:13:36.059 puts into place a new show for Colin Baker to regenerate into at 298 00:13:36.059 --> 00:13:37.500 the end of the next story. 299 00:13:37.559 --> 00:13:39.120 Exactly. it's a soap. 300 00:13:39.179 --> 00:13:39.419 Come on. 301 00:13:39.480 --> 00:13:43.139 And with Uncle Howard and with Perry arguing on the beach. 302 00:13:43.200 --> 00:13:44.340 That's Dynasty or Dallas. 303 00:13:44.399 --> 00:13:46.799 Yeah, yeah. doing the accents, yeah. 304 00:13:46.860 --> 00:13:49.080 So it's much looser, you know. 305 00:13:49.080 --> 00:13:50.399 It looked very gorgeous. 306 00:13:50.460 --> 00:13:51.779 We need to say, okay. 307 00:13:51.840 --> 00:13:54.299 Most of it does look like a very exotic quarry, but at least we 308 00:13:54.299 --> 00:13:55.919 know it's not a quarry in the south of England. 309 00:13:55.980 --> 00:13:57.419 But it looks fantastic. 310 00:13:57.480 --> 00:14:00.539 It's really lovely And the performance is a great Dallas Adams. 311 00:14:00.600 --> 00:14:02.460 I think it's just a breath of fresh everything. 312 00:14:02.519 --> 00:14:03.840 He's, I really like him. 313 00:14:03.960 --> 00:14:05.279 Is they much younger than we expected? 314 00:14:05.340 --> 00:14:10.559 I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I love married to Dallas. 315 00:14:10.620 --> 00:14:15.179 Well, can I just say, this is the most sexually exploited 316 00:14:15.179 --> 00:14:18.600 introduction of a woman in Doctor Who in the history of everything 317 00:14:18.600 --> 00:14:21.720 let alone an introduction, and it's directed by Fiona Cumming. 318 00:14:21.779 --> 00:14:22.379 Yes. 319 00:14:22.379 --> 00:14:27.960 This is my, you know, more curious creative thought of so far this 320 00:14:27.960 --> 00:14:28.200 season. 321 00:14:28.320 --> 00:14:32.940 How does it sit with you that she, it's just artual libidness 322 00:14:32.940 --> 00:14:33.659 representation. 323 00:14:33.720 --> 00:14:36.600 I've touched on Dallas and Dynasty because I know that's where 324 00:14:36.600 --> 00:14:37.139 it's coming from. 325 00:14:37.200 --> 00:14:40.679 And it's also they're wanting to do now. you know, you know how 326 00:14:40.679 --> 00:14:43.740 Pete talked about wanting to do a bond send up and that he and 327 00:14:43.740 --> 00:14:45.000 Nicola would frock up for that. 328 00:14:45.059 --> 00:14:46.740 And he was actually a really big bond fan. 329 00:14:46.799 --> 00:14:47.399 He says. 330 00:14:47.460 --> 00:14:50.700 So maybe that's as close as he gets, was that, I don't know if the 331 00:14:50.700 --> 00:14:54.419 waistcoat actually contributes to that effect at all, but it 332 00:14:54.419 --> 00:14:56.159 really sits uncomfortably with me. 333 00:14:56.220 --> 00:15:01.379 I think the problem is this. that they're replacing a female lead 334 00:15:01.379 --> 00:15:10.200 who is independent and mouthy and clever and slightly obnoxious 335 00:15:10.200 --> 00:15:14.820 and pretty, you know, like Tegan is very gorgeous, with someone 336 00:15:14.820 --> 00:15:18.659 who is constantly manhandled and pushed around by men. 337 00:15:18.779 --> 00:15:22.860 In this story, the master is constantly like actually physically 338 00:15:22.860 --> 00:15:25.500 grabbing her and dragging her around the place. 339 00:15:25.559 --> 00:15:29.820 Someone who is really sexualised and it doesn't start here because 340 00:15:29.820 --> 00:15:34.559 she's on the planet San where all the men are gay. 341 00:15:34.620 --> 00:15:40.860 And so she's and then spending time with her gay stepfather in 342 00:15:40.860 --> 00:15:41.700 Lanzarote. 343 00:15:41.759 --> 00:15:45.659 So she's not particularly sexualised here, except by the camera in 344 00:15:45.659 --> 00:15:49.440 that one shot where she's, and I had... 345 00:15:50.100 --> 00:15:50.879 There's not a lot left. 346 00:15:50.940 --> 00:15:53.159 Turo at least gets a chance. 347 00:15:53.220 --> 00:15:55.320 I mean, he could have actually just pumped her lungs on the beach 348 00:15:55.320 --> 00:15:58.139 so to speak, he drags her back into the blue cupboard, doesn't 349 00:15:58.139 --> 00:15:58.320 he? 350 00:15:58.379 --> 00:15:58.740 Yeah. 351 00:15:59.519 --> 00:16:02.460 You see, my memory was that that was actually the 1st shot we see 352 00:16:02.460 --> 00:16:03.720 of Nicola, but it isn't. 353 00:16:03.899 --> 00:16:05.700 The 1st shot is her arguing with Howard. 354 00:16:05.700 --> 00:16:07.620 She's wearing more clothes than him. 355 00:16:07.860 --> 00:16:11.639 If anyone in that scene is being sexualised. is. 356 00:16:11.700 --> 00:16:13.980 And if he's not, can he be? 357 00:16:14.039 --> 00:16:18.120 But Vance Schott, where she's got the plastic bag full of staff 358 00:16:18.120 --> 00:16:21.720 and she's wearing that bikini and the camera sort of starts on her 359 00:16:21.720 --> 00:16:27.059 crotch and then just kind of rapely, like as if Vasor is operating 360 00:16:27.059 --> 00:16:30.539 the camera. you know, crawls up her body. 361 00:16:30.600 --> 00:16:32.100 I think that's yucky. 362 00:16:32.159 --> 00:16:37.200 And I think it is, it's something that the show is has now decided 363 00:16:37.200 --> 00:16:43.379 to do, is to turn the proactive, independent, mouthy female 364 00:16:43.379 --> 00:16:48.960 companion into someone just a little bit more of a victim and a 365 00:16:48.960 --> 00:16:51.720 little bit more passive and a little bit more subject to the male 366 00:16:51.720 --> 00:16:52.080 game. 367 00:16:52.139 --> 00:16:53.820 We've gone back to 1970. 368 00:16:53.940 --> 00:16:56.279 It's exactly how women are treated. 369 00:16:56.279 --> 00:16:57.360 But in Doctor Who, they were. 370 00:16:57.419 --> 00:16:58.620 No, they were. 371 00:16:58.740 --> 00:17:03.779 Liz and Joe and Sarah weren't treated in that way in the 70s. 372 00:17:03.899 --> 00:17:07.079 But you could argue that they do put Turlo in shorts. 373 00:17:07.140 --> 00:17:08.339 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 374 00:17:08.400 --> 00:17:10.740 But what I'm saying is Turlo's about to go and the way that 375 00:17:10.740 --> 00:17:13.440 Perry's portrayed and the way she's going to be treated continues 376 00:17:13.440 --> 00:17:15.299 in the program for another year. 377 00:17:15.359 --> 00:17:18.660 Just because just because they stretch it to include both genders 378 00:17:18.660 --> 00:17:21.720 in the libidinizing of the companion doesn't actually make it any 379 00:17:21.720 --> 00:17:22.019 better. 380 00:17:22.079 --> 00:17:24.839 No, but Turlo's not going to be in it anymore. 381 00:17:24.900 --> 00:17:27.119 And this is the 1st time he's been sexualised. 382 00:17:27.180 --> 00:17:29.759 And, you know, we've talked about Fiona coming. 383 00:17:29.819 --> 00:17:31.319 There's no good way of saying that. 384 00:17:31.319 --> 00:17:36.119 We've talked about Fiona coming, putting men in dresses in all of 385 00:17:36.119 --> 00:17:36.660 her stories. 386 00:17:36.720 --> 00:17:41.700 But here, she puts them in tiny, tiny shorts or lovely lacy 387 00:17:41.700 --> 00:17:42.240 curtains. 388 00:17:42.299 --> 00:17:45.299 She's just gone around that holiday inn on Lanzarote and just 389 00:17:45.299 --> 00:17:46.799 pulled down and pulled down the curtains. 390 00:17:46.859 --> 00:17:47.940 There you go, wardrobe. 391 00:17:48.000 --> 00:17:51.119 I'm quite uncomfortable with that 1st peri shot. 392 00:17:51.180 --> 00:17:53.339 And judging from Nicola's face. 393 00:17:53.400 --> 00:17:55.019 I think Nicola's a bit uncomfortable with that. 394 00:17:55.079 --> 00:17:59.099 And she has gone on to say that Perry's wardrobe was never as she 395 00:17:59.099 --> 00:17:59.579 envisioned. 396 00:17:59.640 --> 00:18:01.500 You know, she... 397 00:18:01.500 --> 00:18:02.220 She's not from Essex. 398 00:18:02.339 --> 00:18:03.180 Nicola Bryant. 399 00:18:03.240 --> 00:18:06.779 Well, Nicola Bryant wrote like a 5 page backstory for Perry. 400 00:18:06.900 --> 00:18:10.140 Before she realised that Peter Davidson was leaving. 401 00:18:10.200 --> 00:18:14.039 So it was all based around how the doctor looked like her dead 402 00:18:14.039 --> 00:18:16.140 father and et cetera, et cetera. 403 00:18:16.200 --> 00:18:19.680 And she's like, and then we get Colin, who looks nothing like my 404 00:18:19.680 --> 00:18:20.700 dead car. 405 00:18:21.000 --> 00:18:24.900 Unless she was in octopussy and he was one of the clowns. 406 00:18:24.960 --> 00:18:26.640 Maldi clown. 407 00:18:26.700 --> 00:18:30.359 She also talked about, you know, how in movies set in American 408 00:18:30.359 --> 00:18:34.019 colleges back then, you know, slasher movies, the girls weren't 409 00:18:34.019 --> 00:18:35.279 generally running around in bikini. 410 00:18:35.339 --> 00:18:37.680 She's like, they were running around in sweatshirts and that's 411 00:18:37.680 --> 00:18:38.700 what I thought I'd be wearing. 412 00:18:38.759 --> 00:18:41.819 You know, she might wear an overlong sweatshirt with just tights 413 00:18:41.819 --> 00:18:44.880 underneath, but they're putting me in these leotards and that 414 00:18:44.880 --> 00:18:47.220 doesn't really, you know, you do it because wardrobe tells you 415 00:18:47.220 --> 00:18:47.400 to. 416 00:18:47.460 --> 00:18:52.259 I really, I like her blouse and shorts combo that she wears for 417 00:18:52.259 --> 00:18:55.200 this and Andrazani because it's practical in the hot climate of 418 00:18:55.200 --> 00:18:55.980 Lanzarotti. 419 00:18:56.039 --> 00:18:57.599 But, yeah, but... 420 00:18:57.599 --> 00:19:00.000 It's continues to do it too, the Leotard. 421 00:19:00.059 --> 00:19:00.539 Yeah exactly. 422 00:19:00.599 --> 00:19:02.099 And it's not... 423 00:19:02.160 --> 00:19:03.660 There's nothing wrong with the bikini itself. 424 00:19:03.720 --> 00:19:05.039 It is that shot. 425 00:19:05.220 --> 00:19:10.259 That Benny Hill, you know, it's the beginning of a Benny Hill 426 00:19:10.259 --> 00:19:11.160 sketch that shot. 427 00:19:11.220 --> 00:19:14.160 And the look on Nicola's face is almost like, really? 428 00:19:14.220 --> 00:19:15.359 Really? 429 00:19:15.420 --> 00:19:17.519 This is a shot we're actually doing. 430 00:19:17.640 --> 00:19:21.059 Is it that we're uncomfortable with sexualising Doctor Who in this 431 00:19:21.059 --> 00:19:21.359 period? 432 00:19:21.420 --> 00:19:22.500 No, no. 433 00:19:22.559 --> 00:19:26.279 I mean, I think that JNT is obviously, do you know what I mean? 434 00:19:26.339 --> 00:19:29.220 There's very little kind of sexuality. 435 00:19:29.279 --> 00:19:30.539 No, I think that came from... 436 00:19:30.599 --> 00:19:32.160 I think that shot was pushed by coming. 437 00:19:32.220 --> 00:19:33.599 But to speak. 438 00:19:33.660 --> 00:19:38.220 But I think that it's the politics of it that I don't like, it's 439 00:19:38.220 --> 00:19:41.940 taking an independent character and replacing her with someone 440 00:19:41.940 --> 00:19:43.740 designed to be a victim. 441 00:19:43.799 --> 00:19:47.039 You see, I agree with that up to a point because I think in this 442 00:19:47.039 --> 00:19:49.619 story more than any other and we're getting ahead of ourselves. 443 00:19:49.680 --> 00:19:54.299 But Perry is incredibly independent, incredibly resourceful in 444 00:19:54.299 --> 00:19:54.420 this. 445 00:19:54.480 --> 00:19:56.339 She masters a chameleon. 446 00:19:56.400 --> 00:19:57.359 Yeah, yeah. 447 00:19:57.420 --> 00:19:59.400 And they never explained that, but who the hell cares? 448 00:19:59.400 --> 00:20:03.299 Because it's an excellent concept that a companion can outdo the 449 00:20:03.299 --> 00:20:04.859 master's control in some way. 450 00:20:04.920 --> 00:20:09.180 She gets that wonderful line, like when he shouts at her, I'm the 451 00:20:09.180 --> 00:20:09.480 master. 452 00:20:09.539 --> 00:20:12.480 She says, I'm perfectly proud and I can shout just as loud as you 453 00:20:12.480 --> 00:20:16.380 can. which is what you want any companion to say to the master. 454 00:20:16.440 --> 00:20:19.740 Her best bit in the story is when the shrunken master is wandering 455 00:20:19.740 --> 00:20:20.640 around the tartars. 456 00:20:20.700 --> 00:20:22.079 And she's got her shoe. 457 00:20:22.140 --> 00:20:24.119 She's got a shoe and she's going to smack him. 458 00:20:24.180 --> 00:20:28.259 What they should have done in the bother bothers. 459 00:20:29.220 --> 00:20:33.539 You know, I love the bit where she's running to help the doctor 460 00:20:33.539 --> 00:20:35.640 but then runs back to Turlo and says, oh, he'll need this. 461 00:20:35.759 --> 00:20:38.579 You know she doesn't know anything that's going on. 462 00:20:38.700 --> 00:20:43.619 But I think it is another case, a lot like ages ago, I said with 463 00:20:43.619 --> 00:20:46.680 Dodo, I think the actress is putting a lot more in it than what's 464 00:20:46.680 --> 00:20:47.220 on the page. 465 00:20:47.339 --> 00:20:50.039 And it's what an actor's job is. 466 00:20:50.099 --> 00:20:50.579 Yeah, yeah. 467 00:20:50.640 --> 00:20:51.900 And she's really charming. 468 00:20:51.960 --> 00:20:52.859 I mean she is very appealing. 469 00:20:52.920 --> 00:20:53.819 She's greatly charming. 470 00:20:53.880 --> 00:20:56.759 She even covers up the black holes in the plot by being so 471 00:20:56.759 --> 00:20:57.180 charming. 472 00:20:57.240 --> 00:20:57.960 Yeah. 473 00:20:57.960 --> 00:20:59.339 Where did that thing come from? 474 00:20:59.400 --> 00:21:01.200 Why the hell is it on earth? 475 00:21:01.259 --> 00:21:05.099 Yeah, and was it was it actually Turlo's or was it part of his 476 00:21:05.099 --> 00:21:06.420 dad's hoard? 477 00:21:06.480 --> 00:21:09.779 Because no, because his dad's on Khan, son, and... 478 00:21:09.779 --> 00:21:11.460 Maybe the solicitor went on holidays. 479 00:21:11.519 --> 00:21:15.960 Yeah, and left his barbell slash... 480 00:21:16.019 --> 00:21:16.799 Whatever. 481 00:21:16.920 --> 00:21:19.319 Back massage out there. 482 00:21:19.380 --> 00:21:23.099 I'd like to say someone who's unexpectedly excellent in this. 483 00:21:23.339 --> 00:21:25.380 Anthony Ainley. 484 00:21:25.440 --> 00:21:27.359 No, it's terrible. 485 00:21:27.420 --> 00:21:27.900 I agree. 486 00:21:27.960 --> 00:21:28.380 He good. 487 00:21:28.440 --> 00:21:32.039 He's at his very, very best, and we'll get to that because we 488 00:21:32.039 --> 00:21:34.559 haven't seen that on screen yet, and we don't see it for a while 489 00:21:34.559 --> 00:21:36.539 but he's, I agree. 490 00:21:36.599 --> 00:21:38.400 I think he's at his best in this one too. 491 00:21:38.519 --> 00:21:42.480 And he does subtly differentiate between the chameleon master and 492 00:21:42.480 --> 00:21:43.259 the mastermaster. 493 00:21:43.380 --> 00:21:44.700 The chameleon master. 494 00:21:44.759 --> 00:21:49.200 It's kind of weird, is a lot more in line with the worst bits of 495 00:21:49.200 --> 00:21:50.220 his earlier self. 496 00:21:50.279 --> 00:21:53.039 But the thing is, you know from the beginning he's chameleon as 497 00:21:53.039 --> 00:21:53.940 the master. 498 00:21:54.359 --> 00:21:58.500 Whereas the mini master is really entertaining. 499 00:21:58.559 --> 00:22:03.240 I mean, there's another plot hole there where the doctor says, oh 500 00:22:03.240 --> 00:22:05.220 were you experimenting with a tissue compression eliminator and 501 00:22:05.220 --> 00:22:07.619 the master's like, I was working on an even more deadly version. 502 00:22:07.680 --> 00:22:09.059 One, it kills you instantly. 503 00:22:09.119 --> 00:22:10.799 So how is it even more deadly? 504 00:22:10.859 --> 00:22:14.579 Two, it shrinks you and kills you instantly. 505 00:22:14.640 --> 00:22:16.079 This shrinks you and keeps you alive. 506 00:22:16.140 --> 00:22:18.539 You've literally done the opposite of what you were setting out 507 00:22:18.539 --> 00:22:19.259 to. 508 00:22:19.319 --> 00:22:22.380 Unless he wants tiny little friends to put in his little playhouse 509 00:22:22.380 --> 00:22:24.059 is just made his little. 510 00:22:24.119 --> 00:22:25.559 What is he saying when he dies? 511 00:22:25.619 --> 00:22:27.599 How can you do this to him? 512 00:22:27.660 --> 00:22:28.140 What's the line? 513 00:22:28.859 --> 00:22:32.579 To your own, yes, to your own species, your own ex? 514 00:22:32.640 --> 00:22:34.619 Sister brothers, cousins, former roommate. 515 00:22:34.680 --> 00:22:36.119 Ex-mother. 516 00:22:36.180 --> 00:22:36.960 It's your sister. 517 00:22:37.019 --> 00:22:38.400 I think piano tutor. 518 00:22:38.460 --> 00:22:41.640 I think I think the master's doctor's ex-wife. 519 00:22:41.700 --> 00:22:45.660 Some people have tried to post-rationalize it is. 520 00:22:45.720 --> 00:22:49.559 Would you show no mercy to one of your own, which he clearly does 521 00:22:49.559 --> 00:22:50.220 not say? 522 00:22:50.279 --> 00:22:52.559 No, he actually says, won't you show mercy to your own? 523 00:22:53.160 --> 00:22:53.460 Yeah. 524 00:22:53.519 --> 00:22:57.599 That is a little bit horrible that he sort of, and because it's a 525 00:22:57.599 --> 00:22:58.680 bit of a video effect. 526 00:22:58.740 --> 00:23:00.779 It sort of fake and so it doesn't matter, right, so much? 527 00:23:00.839 --> 00:23:01.740 step out of it. 528 00:23:01.799 --> 00:23:02.640 Chameleon does. 529 00:23:02.700 --> 00:23:05.099 The TARDIS is three. his TARDIS is 3 feet behind him. 530 00:23:05.160 --> 00:23:06.960 Chameleon just steps out. 531 00:23:07.019 --> 00:23:08.160 You're standing in a tea chest. 532 00:23:08.220 --> 00:23:09.059 That's right. 533 00:23:09.059 --> 00:23:12.839 Pete sells that scene. like Pete doesn't intervene. 534 00:23:13.019 --> 00:23:16.559 But he's clearly, really distressed. 535 00:23:16.680 --> 00:23:20.039 Yeah, yeah, he's really good. and really conflicted. 536 00:23:20.099 --> 00:23:24.059 It's like, I should do something, but I don't want to. 537 00:23:24.119 --> 00:23:27.779 When I watched this, because I remember seeing it at the time 538 00:23:27.779 --> 00:23:30.119 Richard, did you think that that was the master being killed? 539 00:23:30.180 --> 00:23:31.019 Yes, I did. 540 00:23:31.079 --> 00:23:31.740 And it was a shock. 541 00:23:31.799 --> 00:23:37.859 And then I also remember how very even-handed he was with popping 542 00:23:37.859 --> 00:23:38.700 chameleon off. 543 00:23:38.759 --> 00:23:42.059 It's like, no, kill me, it's all right, if you insist. 544 00:23:42.119 --> 00:23:45.119 And I thought I remember at the time having completely forgotten 545 00:23:45.119 --> 00:23:46.559 about Chameleon. 546 00:23:46.619 --> 00:23:48.660 So that was something of a surprises. 547 00:23:48.720 --> 00:23:51.420 Everyone's really horrible to chameleon in this story. 548 00:23:51.480 --> 00:23:54.059 Like when he starts screaming, they just kind of run in and look 549 00:23:54.059 --> 00:23:56.579 at them and when Chameleon says, oh, I'm really sorry about that. 550 00:23:56.640 --> 00:23:59.400 Peter just looks at him like he's whizzed on the carpet. 551 00:23:59.460 --> 00:24:02.880 No, it's like those people who got an iPhone 7 and that was it was 552 00:24:02.880 --> 00:24:03.480 hissing. 553 00:24:03.539 --> 00:24:04.380 Did you hear that story? 554 00:24:04.440 --> 00:24:07.259 So Chameleon was very much like that, I think. 555 00:24:07.319 --> 00:24:10.619 And then when Turlo intercepts the signal. 556 00:24:10.619 --> 00:24:13.799 And says to Chameleon, you'll receive no more signals from Tryon. 557 00:24:13.859 --> 00:24:14.640 Your Finnish comedian. 558 00:24:14.700 --> 00:24:15.420 Chameleon. 559 00:24:15.480 --> 00:24:19.859 He gives him an electric shock and then Perry pushes him around 560 00:24:19.859 --> 00:24:21.779 and mentally manipulates him. 561 00:24:21.839 --> 00:24:24.660 And then the master's obviously treating him like crap and then 562 00:24:24.660 --> 00:24:25.559 the doctor shoots him. 563 00:24:25.619 --> 00:24:27.299 Like chameleon's having a really bad day. 564 00:24:27.359 --> 00:24:30.299 So they've, I've been through this with canine and I'm not doing 565 00:24:30.299 --> 00:24:31.140 it all. 566 00:24:31.200 --> 00:24:35.160 No, well, I think they do at least try in the dialogue to suggest 567 00:24:35.160 --> 00:24:39.539 that Chameleon is kind of inextricably linked to the master and is 568 00:24:39.539 --> 00:24:43.140 the master sleeper agent, and that's why when Chameleon's rational 569 00:24:43.140 --> 00:24:44.220 he wants to be destroyed. 570 00:24:44.279 --> 00:24:48.359 And again, I wish they didn't write scenes where the doctor shot 571 00:24:48.359 --> 00:24:49.980 people with guns. 572 00:24:50.039 --> 00:24:52.920 But, like, that's not so bad. 573 00:24:52.920 --> 00:24:55.559 And they do go out of their way, to say, is an appliance and stuff 574 00:24:55.559 --> 00:24:57.720 and he's terrible, so let him die. 575 00:24:57.779 --> 00:25:00.660 But, you know, does he not just have an off switch? 576 00:25:00.720 --> 00:25:01.980 Yeah. 577 00:25:02.099 --> 00:25:03.660 Genius. 578 00:25:03.720 --> 00:25:05.160 Just like they reboot it. 579 00:25:05.220 --> 00:25:07.319 So it charge him overnight, for God's sake. 580 00:25:07.380 --> 00:25:10.019 It's a positronic brain, can that be rewritten? 581 00:25:10.079 --> 00:25:12.000 I think you can rewire a human brain, so. 582 00:25:12.059 --> 00:25:15.059 Data in Star Trek Linux Generation has an off switch. 583 00:25:15.119 --> 00:25:15.539 Yeah. 584 00:25:15.539 --> 00:25:19.079 Which Beverly Crusher can bloody use for God's sake. 585 00:25:19.140 --> 00:25:22.980 And as Gates McFadden says herself, everyone Beverly Crusher looks 586 00:25:22.980 --> 00:25:24.720 at it the 1st season dies. 587 00:25:24.779 --> 00:25:27.480 She's like, that's why I wasn't in the 2nd season. 588 00:25:27.539 --> 00:25:29.519 Everyone dies on my operating table. 589 00:25:30.240 --> 00:25:33.000 When Denise Crosby was being written out. 590 00:25:33.059 --> 00:25:34.259 She said, no, don't give me her. 591 00:25:35.700 --> 00:25:37.380 Oh dear. 592 00:25:37.440 --> 00:25:41.940 Turmo is depicted very early on in this story, sabotaging the 593 00:25:41.940 --> 00:25:44.160 TARDIS and lying to the doctor about it. 594 00:25:44.220 --> 00:25:45.359 Old times. 595 00:25:45.420 --> 00:25:46.740 I think it's brilliant. 596 00:25:46.859 --> 00:25:51.240 And I think Tegan's departure scene is really affecting and really 597 00:25:51.240 --> 00:25:56.640 well done, but Turlo gets the most spectacular arc in this story. 598 00:25:56.880 --> 00:26:01.980 He starts the way he began, you know, sabotaging the TARDIS and 599 00:26:01.980 --> 00:26:03.119 lying to the doctor about it. 600 00:26:03.180 --> 00:26:09.000 But he ends doing what Patrick Troughton's doctor did, which is in 601 00:26:09.000 --> 00:26:12.059 a situation where there's a whole heap of people who need to be 602 00:26:12.059 --> 00:26:12.599 saved. 603 00:26:12.660 --> 00:26:14.819 He's not able to deal with it. 604 00:26:14.880 --> 00:26:20.819 He calls in the people he's on the run from and gets them to 605 00:26:20.819 --> 00:26:25.980 rescue those people at the risk of losing his own freedom. 606 00:26:26.039 --> 00:26:27.900 And I just think that's terrific. 607 00:26:27.960 --> 00:26:31.019 I don't know if it was intentional if Grimwade intended the 608 00:26:31.019 --> 00:26:33.960 parallel, but he becomes the doctor at the end. 609 00:26:34.019 --> 00:26:35.880 I think it is intentional. 610 00:26:35.940 --> 00:26:39.839 And the beautiful moment I love in this story, and it's also, it's 611 00:26:39.839 --> 00:26:43.920 quite hard to watch, but we discussed in season 20 that the doctor 612 00:26:43.920 --> 00:26:46.500 knows something's up with Turlo from the beginning, but he kind of 613 00:26:46.500 --> 00:26:49.500 gives him enough rope, as it were, not to hang himself, but to do 614 00:26:49.500 --> 00:26:52.019 tricks with, because he finds the crystal in the 1st story. 615 00:26:52.079 --> 00:26:55.619 And then in Enlightenment, he doesn't try to persuade Turlow, he 616 00:26:55.619 --> 00:26:57.119 leaves the choice up to Turlow. 617 00:26:57.180 --> 00:26:58.559 The same thing happens here. 618 00:26:58.619 --> 00:27:01.500 Like the doctor comes in and finds that Turlow's been fiddling 619 00:27:01.500 --> 00:27:02.519 with the TARDIS console. 620 00:27:02.519 --> 00:27:05.640 And then when Turlow is saying, I know this equipment, I know the 621 00:27:05.640 --> 00:27:08.279 scriptment, again, the doctor just leaves him to go, doesn't ask 622 00:27:08.279 --> 00:27:09.000 for an explanation. 623 00:27:09.059 --> 00:27:11.759 It's only when the doctor thinks that Turlo might be working for 624 00:27:11.759 --> 00:27:15.960 the master as well, but he finally snaps and says, if you're 625 00:27:15.960 --> 00:27:18.839 working with the master, no, if you're concealing anything that 626 00:27:18.839 --> 00:27:21.660 may help the master, our friendship is over and it's like, right 627 00:27:21.660 --> 00:27:25.859 that shows the strength of that friendship, that the doctor's like 628 00:27:25.859 --> 00:27:28.859 I will always give you your freedom and I will always trust you 629 00:27:28.859 --> 00:27:31.680 until you are no longer worthy of that trust. 630 00:27:31.740 --> 00:27:34.740 And that's when Turlo steps up and becomes a doctor. 631 00:27:34.799 --> 00:27:38.339 And again, we talked about last week, how the doctor and Tua were 632 00:27:38.339 --> 00:27:42.059 so emotionally reserved compared to Tegan, all the emotions on the 633 00:27:42.059 --> 00:27:42.420 surface. 634 00:27:42.720 --> 00:27:46.740 Here, the doctor and Turlo have to say goodbye to each other and 635 00:27:46.740 --> 00:27:49.200 they just don't have the emotional toolkit to handle it. 636 00:27:49.259 --> 00:27:52.680 You know, it's just this very perfunctory thing, but that is so 637 00:27:52.680 --> 00:27:56.519 right for both characters and they just get very quiet and very 638 00:27:56.519 --> 00:27:58.859 down low and it's all very understated. 639 00:27:58.920 --> 00:28:00.779 Oh, I've learned a lot from you. 640 00:28:00.839 --> 00:28:02.700 Yes, I'll miss you. 641 00:28:02.759 --> 00:28:04.319 Yeah, look after him. 642 00:28:04.380 --> 00:28:05.220 He gets into trouble. 643 00:28:05.220 --> 00:28:07.140 And I love that line. 644 00:28:07.259 --> 00:28:07.859 Look after him. 645 00:28:07.920 --> 00:28:10.019 He does get into the most terrible trouble. 646 00:28:10.079 --> 00:28:11.279 It's so great. 647 00:28:11.339 --> 00:28:12.720 It's really good. 648 00:28:12.779 --> 00:28:15.720 And again, Perry's just kind of there going, hold on, what? 649 00:28:15.779 --> 00:28:18.660 Like, I just met you guys and you're obviously good mates. 650 00:28:18.720 --> 00:28:19.440 What the hell's going on? 651 00:28:19.500 --> 00:28:21.359 Or you'll find out, dear. 652 00:28:23.039 --> 00:28:27.480 But yeah, it's kind of weird because Mark Strickson has had the 653 00:28:27.480 --> 00:28:30.059 whole thing of being locked in a cupboard for most of this season 654 00:28:30.059 --> 00:28:33.539 but whenever he's given something to do, he excels. 655 00:28:33.660 --> 00:28:34.500 Yeah. 656 00:28:34.559 --> 00:28:37.559 It's a shame I can never do those spreadsheets, but... 657 00:28:37.559 --> 00:28:42.480 I think it's a shame that like during this period of Doctor Who. 658 00:28:42.539 --> 00:28:45.900 There's so much missed opportunity with just the sort of portrayal 659 00:28:45.900 --> 00:28:49.140 of relationships between the regulars, and I guess Doctor Who 660 00:28:49.140 --> 00:28:50.940 hasn't really done that properly. 661 00:28:51.000 --> 00:28:55.799 But, you know, we talk about the doctor and Turlo being friends. 662 00:28:55.859 --> 00:28:59.700 But there's not really much time for us to actually see evidence 663 00:28:59.700 --> 00:29:00.539 of that, is there? 664 00:29:00.599 --> 00:29:02.579 You know, they travel together and stuff. 665 00:29:02.640 --> 00:29:07.380 But look, even the old series at its best compared to the new 666 00:29:07.380 --> 00:29:08.579 series at its worst. 667 00:29:08.640 --> 00:29:15.059 The new series has an interest in trying to depict relationships 668 00:29:15.059 --> 00:29:18.779 in a way that the old series really rarely managers. 669 00:29:18.839 --> 00:29:22.980 And it's a shame in the 80s when they're going for more serialised 670 00:29:22.980 --> 00:29:26.940 storytelling and a bigger, regular cast and maybe higher concept 671 00:29:26.940 --> 00:29:28.019 characters and stuff. 672 00:29:28.079 --> 00:29:33.960 I'd be fascinated to see a version of like season 21 that cared a 673 00:29:33.960 --> 00:29:36.720 bit more about the relationships between the regular cast. 674 00:29:36.779 --> 00:29:40.619 Yeah, it's another case of, it's not on paper. all in the 675 00:29:40.619 --> 00:29:41.279 performance. 676 00:29:41.339 --> 00:29:43.559 I would have talked about this before. 677 00:29:43.619 --> 00:29:47.400 I would have loved a season of Peter and Nicola, and I think 678 00:29:47.400 --> 00:29:50.099 Nicola would have loved that as well, or at least one story. 679 00:29:50.160 --> 00:29:52.680 Big Finish picked it up and did some really nice ideas with it. 680 00:29:52.799 --> 00:29:54.480 I think it would have been great. 681 00:29:54.539 --> 00:29:55.740 I mean, truly well. 682 00:29:55.799 --> 00:29:56.460 And he needs that. 683 00:29:56.519 --> 00:29:59.640 That one on one thing, the stuff that even Russell realised, you 684 00:29:59.640 --> 00:30:02.400 know, it's the way to go is just the doctor and De Gill. 685 00:30:02.460 --> 00:30:03.059 Yeah. 686 00:30:03.119 --> 00:30:07.259 Although I like the doctor, a man and a woman as well. 687 00:30:07.319 --> 00:30:10.440 And I think when Moffatt does that in the new series, like, I'm 688 00:30:10.440 --> 00:30:13.079 not a massive fan of Amy, but Rory's fantastic. 689 00:30:13.079 --> 00:30:17.460 And I love that dynamic and you've got a bunch of relationships to 690 00:30:17.460 --> 00:30:19.200 play with, and I think it's really interesting. 691 00:30:19.259 --> 00:30:21.660 I think whenever there's a boy that comes along, Mickey is 692 00:30:21.660 --> 00:30:22.140 charming. 693 00:30:22.200 --> 00:30:25.559 Captain Jack works so much better in this artist for me than he 694 00:30:25.559 --> 00:30:27.180 does in Torchworks.. 695 00:30:27.779 --> 00:30:30.359 On a big finish side note. 696 00:30:30.420 --> 00:30:34.380 We jokingly referred to what is Perry's mother up to? 697 00:30:34.440 --> 00:30:38.640 In Big Finish, they do bring in Perry's mother, played by the 698 00:30:38.640 --> 00:30:43.380 fabulous Claudia Christian, best known to science fiction fans as 699 00:30:43.380 --> 00:30:47.400 Commander Ivanova from Babylon 5, and she is wonderful. 700 00:30:47.519 --> 00:30:49.259 And a good tweeterer as well. 701 00:30:49.319 --> 00:30:50.640 Yes, very much so. 702 00:30:50.700 --> 00:30:51.960 Is she doing the accent? 703 00:30:52.019 --> 00:30:53.339 She's doing the accent. 704 00:30:53.579 --> 00:30:57.539 The story is called The Reaping by Joe Lidster. 705 00:30:57.660 --> 00:31:05.819 And it actually deals with what happened to Perry's mother and 706 00:31:05.819 --> 00:31:10.440 Howard after Perry disappeared because that's the thing in this 707 00:31:10.440 --> 00:31:10.740 story. 708 00:31:10.799 --> 00:31:12.839 Yeah, who to blame. 709 00:31:12.900 --> 00:31:17.400 And also, it's a particularly good story in its own right, but it 710 00:31:17.400 --> 00:31:20.220 led to Nicola Bryant and Claudia Christian becoming firm friends 711 00:31:20.220 --> 00:31:23.279 and doing lots of charity work together, which is lovely. yeah. 712 00:31:23.339 --> 00:31:25.740 In the wigs and the outfits and their accents. 713 00:31:25.799 --> 00:31:28.980 And I believe we brought this up on the podcast before Nicola 714 00:31:28.980 --> 00:31:34.140 Bryant was on the short list to play Captain Catherine Janeway. she 715 00:31:34.140 --> 00:31:34.859 was 3rd choice. 716 00:31:34.920 --> 00:31:36.000 Kate Mulgrew was second. 717 00:31:36.059 --> 00:31:37.859 Can you imagine what that would have been like? 718 00:31:37.920 --> 00:31:39.660 Would she have done the accent? 719 00:31:39.720 --> 00:31:40.380 No, apparently. 720 00:31:40.559 --> 00:31:44.160 Apparently, much like Genevieve Bujol wasn't putting on an 721 00:31:44.160 --> 00:31:44.819 American accent. 722 00:31:44.880 --> 00:31:46.980 She used her inference Canadian. 723 00:31:47.039 --> 00:31:47.819 She thing. 724 00:31:47.880 --> 00:31:49.619 She would have just done it as an English person. 725 00:31:49.680 --> 00:31:50.339 Yeah. 726 00:31:50.400 --> 00:31:53.640 She, you know, when Nicholas said, it is an actual accent and I 727 00:31:53.640 --> 00:31:56.880 diddler in it at a place in real time. 728 00:31:56.880 --> 00:32:01.200 And yeah, she was married to an American young actor and writer 729 00:32:01.200 --> 00:32:01.680 wasn't she? 730 00:32:01.740 --> 00:32:04.619 And she had lived in New York and she very quickly got coached 731 00:32:04.619 --> 00:32:05.039 by. 732 00:32:05.099 --> 00:32:08.160 But yeah, she said, you know, she was getting it actually off her 733 00:32:08.160 --> 00:32:09.119 boyfriend, so to speak. 734 00:32:09.180 --> 00:32:12.960 As such, that's why her accent improves dramatically as she goes 735 00:32:12.960 --> 00:32:15.779 along because it's a bit weak here, but already next week in 736 00:32:15.779 --> 00:32:17.759 Andrazani, it's going to be a lot stronger. 737 00:32:17.819 --> 00:32:20.700 But that being said, it's a lot better than a lot of other 738 00:32:20.700 --> 00:32:22.440 American accents we've had on the show. 739 00:32:22.500 --> 00:32:23.640 We've done the gunfighters, yes. 740 00:32:24.000 --> 00:32:24.779 The Gunfighters. 741 00:32:24.839 --> 00:32:29.579 Bill Filer from CIAHQ, Washington HQ, rather. 742 00:32:29.640 --> 00:32:32.759 Leslie Schofield in the war games. 743 00:32:32.819 --> 00:32:35.700 It's still a bad idea though, isn't it? 744 00:32:35.759 --> 00:32:38.039 Don't you think, to have the regular putting on an accent? 745 00:32:38.099 --> 00:32:41.279 Well, at the time, you're putting an American in because the 746 00:32:41.279 --> 00:32:42.960 show's becoming popular in America. 747 00:32:42.960 --> 00:32:45.539 And no American's going to be fooled by that. 748 00:32:45.599 --> 00:32:46.980 They watched it for Englishness anyway. 749 00:32:47.039 --> 00:32:50.460 It's like it's as successful as putting an Australian in to get 750 00:32:50.460 --> 00:32:51.839 better ratings in Australia. 751 00:32:51.900 --> 00:32:52.619 We saw how that worked. 752 00:32:52.680 --> 00:32:53.880 Actually, it did, though. 753 00:32:54.180 --> 00:32:54.599 Really? 754 00:32:54.660 --> 00:32:58.440 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 755 00:32:58.500 --> 00:33:02.880 I mean, it's a shame in a way, but I think with some actors, you 756 00:33:02.880 --> 00:33:04.559 know, they can do an accent or they can act. 757 00:33:04.619 --> 00:33:07.619 But I think Nicola Bryant is someone who can act through the 758 00:33:07.619 --> 00:33:07.980 accent. 759 00:33:08.039 --> 00:33:08.640 Yeah. 760 00:33:08.640 --> 00:33:09.240 Yeah. 761 00:33:09.299 --> 00:33:10.619 You see it all the time. 762 00:33:10.680 --> 00:33:14.400 Remember, um, remember Press gang and Dexter Fletcher get saddled 763 00:33:14.400 --> 00:33:17.220 with that American accent and it really interferes with his 764 00:33:17.220 --> 00:33:17.460 acting. 765 00:33:17.579 --> 00:33:20.819 Yeah, it really can kill a performance. 766 00:33:20.819 --> 00:33:23.579 And she's still really super charming all the way through. 767 00:33:23.640 --> 00:33:26.400 Like I've got no problem with Nicola Bryant's performance. 768 00:33:26.460 --> 00:33:29.819 I really, really don't like the way her character's conceived and 769 00:33:29.819 --> 00:33:30.720 where it goes. 770 00:33:30.839 --> 00:33:37.079 But she's so charming and so sweet, even despite the occasional 771 00:33:37.079 --> 00:33:41.579 sort of lapse in the way she speaks American. 772 00:33:41.700 --> 00:33:44.880 There's a great moment in this where she's looking for the doctor 773 00:33:44.880 --> 00:33:49.440 and Turlo and she slides down a hill and she was just told, okay 774 00:33:49.440 --> 00:33:53.819 slide down this hill and then walk off camera saying, uh, calling 775 00:33:53.819 --> 00:33:56.940 out to the doctor and she's like, oh, okay, I'll do that. 776 00:33:57.000 --> 00:33:59.099 And she runs to the top of the hill, Nicola. 777 00:33:59.160 --> 00:34:01.140 And then thinks, oh, hold on. 778 00:34:01.200 --> 00:34:02.519 Do I go off left or right? 779 00:34:02.519 --> 00:34:04.019 Because it's got to match up with the other footage. 780 00:34:04.079 --> 00:34:07.200 Oh, well, directors behind the camera so she'll wave. 781 00:34:07.500 --> 00:34:12.480 And so she slides down the hill and cuts her legs off. 782 00:34:12.840 --> 00:34:14.579 It looked like it really hurts. 783 00:34:14.639 --> 00:34:15.119 It did. 784 00:34:15.179 --> 00:34:18.000 And the thing is, she's then stumbling towards the camera saying 785 00:34:18.000 --> 00:34:20.820 doctor, doctor, and no one is giving her any direction. 786 00:34:20.880 --> 00:34:23.699 So she just goes off to the left and I think Fiona coming said, why 787 00:34:23.699 --> 00:34:24.360 did you go off to left? 788 00:34:24.420 --> 00:34:26.219 Well, why didn't you tell me to go off to the right? 789 00:34:26.280 --> 00:34:27.659 They didn't reshoot it. 790 00:34:28.739 --> 00:34:36.119 Okay, Richard, you said last night you watched the chasing gig. 791 00:34:36.179 --> 00:34:39.480 But also you watch the... the shortened cut of this. 792 00:34:39.539 --> 00:34:40.380 Yes, it was shorter. 793 00:34:40.440 --> 00:34:41.760 What did you think? 794 00:34:41.820 --> 00:34:45.360 Well, I actually have to admit, I haven't watched Planet of Fire 4 795 00:34:45.360 --> 00:34:47.579 episodes since, well, the 90s. 796 00:34:48.179 --> 00:34:50.460 I think it's very nicely done. 797 00:34:50.519 --> 00:34:54.539 I think it works because of Timonoff, and it works because of the 798 00:34:54.539 --> 00:34:55.380 supporting cast. 799 00:34:55.440 --> 00:34:58.739 The scripts sort of so, so, if you had a Cummings had some really 800 00:34:58.739 --> 00:35:03.599 bad fan, you know, it's drumming for this story. 801 00:35:03.659 --> 00:35:07.619 She's called everything from lacklustre to phoning it in and far 802 00:35:07.619 --> 00:35:11.940 more negative, but she gave us snake dance and she gave us... 803 00:35:12.000 --> 00:35:15.420 I don't have a problem with it, but it also doesn't go anywhere. 804 00:35:15.480 --> 00:35:16.860 It is a little bit untidy. 805 00:35:16.920 --> 00:35:18.300 It's sort of like, what is this doing? 806 00:35:18.360 --> 00:35:21.420 The script, I mean, the script, there's just a bunch of stuff that 807 00:35:21.420 --> 00:35:23.039 happens while we move the characters around. 808 00:35:23.159 --> 00:35:24.900 And I think we can blame so hard for that. 809 00:35:24.960 --> 00:35:27.000 I'd like to think, although we've seen Grim Wade's efforts 810 00:35:27.000 --> 00:35:27.420 before. 811 00:35:27.480 --> 00:35:30.119 There is never a primitive planet where a spaceship hasn't crashed 812 00:35:30.119 --> 00:35:30.480 on. 813 00:35:30.960 --> 00:35:34.199 Yeah, I mean, Peter Grimwade does great concept. 814 00:35:34.260 --> 00:35:37.019 But his structure isn't great. 815 00:35:37.079 --> 00:35:39.539 Like, we've got time flight, and we've got Modron undead, and we 816 00:35:39.539 --> 00:35:41.699 got this, all of which have great ideas. 817 00:35:41.760 --> 00:35:44.699 I believe this is the most successful of his scripts, but I agree 818 00:35:44.699 --> 00:35:45.239 with you. 819 00:35:45.300 --> 00:35:47.460 There are certainly structural and pacing issues. 820 00:35:47.519 --> 00:35:51.659 But it's a lot like Modern Undead, where Modern Undead's job is to 821 00:35:51.659 --> 00:35:54.900 bring the brigadier back, you know, show us Turlow. 822 00:35:55.019 --> 00:35:59.159 And so there is a smoggish Bjord of impossible tasks. 823 00:35:59.280 --> 00:36:01.199 Yeah, no, no, I don't think so. 824 00:36:01.260 --> 00:36:04.679 I think what he ends up doing is concentrating on shifting the 825 00:36:04.679 --> 00:36:07.079 characters around stuff, which is really successful and 826 00:36:07.079 --> 00:36:08.039 entertaining. 827 00:36:08.099 --> 00:36:11.519 And then you get a rather kind of underwritten kind of central 828 00:36:11.519 --> 00:36:14.099 Doctor Who story in the middle of all of that. 829 00:36:14.159 --> 00:36:17.340 But I don't mind that balance at all. 830 00:36:17.400 --> 00:36:20.340 I think the alternative, which is what Doctor Who would do at this 831 00:36:20.340 --> 00:36:25.260 time, is to kind of sideline the character stuff at the expense of 832 00:36:25.260 --> 00:36:26.940 you know, the Doctor Who story. 833 00:36:27.000 --> 00:36:30.719 And I think it's refreshing to spend so much time concentrating on 834 00:36:30.719 --> 00:36:34.860 all of these new people and old people and stuff like that. 835 00:36:34.920 --> 00:36:37.440 And let the story be a bit underwritten. 836 00:36:37.500 --> 00:36:39.480 I think the new series does that quite a lot. 837 00:36:39.539 --> 00:36:41.940 You know what it reminds me of in the new series? 838 00:36:42.000 --> 00:36:43.619 Love and monsters. 839 00:36:43.679 --> 00:36:48.539 Because Love and Monsters is all about these 5 people and just the 840 00:36:48.539 --> 00:36:52.079 plot kind of comes in in the last 10 minutes and kills everyone. 841 00:36:52.380 --> 00:36:55.800 Yeah, that's very true, but again, that's not exactly a favourite 842 00:36:55.800 --> 00:36:57.000 story, isn't it? 843 00:36:57.000 --> 00:36:59.519 That, I mean, that's a real Marmite story. 844 00:36:59.579 --> 00:37:01.559 Personally, I love it, but I know a lot of people hate it. 845 00:37:01.619 --> 00:37:05.280 I love it and I totally understand why a lot of people hate it. 846 00:37:05.340 --> 00:37:05.940 Oh, yeah, yeah. 847 00:37:06.000 --> 00:37:06.780 I get why people hate it. 848 00:37:06.840 --> 00:37:08.880 I don't particularly understand why people hate fear her. 849 00:37:08.940 --> 00:37:11.159 I don't think it's great, but yeah, it's just not good. 850 00:37:11.219 --> 00:37:13.320 A couple of minor things I noticed. 851 00:37:13.380 --> 00:37:18.179 Howard's assistant, Kurt, at one point when he's berating his crew 852 00:37:18.179 --> 00:37:21.420 for setting up the Ute wrong, says, must I do everything myself 853 00:37:21.420 --> 00:37:23.400 and grabs a topless Greek bloke? 854 00:37:24.539 --> 00:37:26.579 I really liked that. 855 00:37:26.639 --> 00:37:27.599 What he was to her. 856 00:37:29.760 --> 00:37:34.679 And a particular relationship I loved in this story that even 857 00:37:34.679 --> 00:37:37.199 though they're in the same story again later, it's never really 858 00:37:37.199 --> 00:37:38.400 picked up on it in the same way. 859 00:37:38.519 --> 00:37:42.239 Anthony Anley and Nicola Bryant are really enjoyable together. 860 00:37:42.300 --> 00:37:45.179 Like when they're in the cave together at his lecture and she is 861 00:37:45.179 --> 00:37:48.300 just rolling her eyes and I'm supposed to be impressed, kind of 862 00:37:48.300 --> 00:37:48.719 acting. 863 00:37:48.780 --> 00:37:50.820 But she's doing the Sarah Jane thing. 864 00:37:50.880 --> 00:37:53.519 She's being defiant, but being scared as well. 865 00:37:53.579 --> 00:37:56.460 And it's like, I kind of look at that and go, oh, so we have an 866 00:37:56.460 --> 00:37:59.099 antagonistic relationship that's still enjoyable to watch. 867 00:37:59.159 --> 00:38:01.500 Take note, dear listeners. 868 00:38:01.559 --> 00:38:03.420 This may not continue in a few weeks. 869 00:38:03.900 --> 00:38:08.699 I actually quite like how it gives Ainley's master the opportunity 870 00:38:08.699 --> 00:38:10.679 to call her Miss Brown and stuff. 871 00:38:11.219 --> 00:38:12.119 Miss Brown and my dear. 872 00:38:12.179 --> 00:38:13.739 I think that stuff's really wonderful. 873 00:38:13.800 --> 00:38:16.980 I think I'm sorry that I only came back up. after this actually. 874 00:38:17.039 --> 00:38:21.239 Yeah, it was a really nice point for him to finish, but then I say 875 00:38:21.239 --> 00:38:22.440 his best story is yet to come. 876 00:38:22.559 --> 00:38:24.059 Yeah, no, that is true. 877 00:38:24.119 --> 00:38:27.360 We would have lost that thing that we haven't even watched it. 878 00:38:27.420 --> 00:38:30.059 I haven't I haven't seen a lot of these stories since the 90s. 879 00:38:30.119 --> 00:38:33.179 It'll be interesting for me to see just how much fun this series 880 00:38:33.179 --> 00:38:34.800 is going to get in a few weeks. 881 00:38:35.219 --> 00:38:36.659 Probably. 882 00:38:36.719 --> 00:38:41.340 In the end, I don't think this is quite as good as, say, Frontios 883 00:38:41.340 --> 00:38:46.380 but it's a big improvement on last week, and it's certainly better 884 00:38:46.380 --> 00:38:48.420 than the other 2 stories we've had in the season so far. 885 00:38:48.480 --> 00:38:51.179 It's a Christmas romp and even and the deaths aren't exactly 886 00:38:51.179 --> 00:38:52.019 deathy, are they? 887 00:38:52.079 --> 00:38:53.940 Yeah, no, we needed this holiday. 888 00:38:54.000 --> 00:38:55.920 I found it surprisingly enjoyable. 889 00:38:56.039 --> 00:38:59.340 Oh, and I like Pete without his jacket eye. he looks great. 890 00:38:59.400 --> 00:39:03.300 I want to punch in the head, whoever put all those question marks 891 00:39:03.300 --> 00:39:06.480 all over his braces, but otherwise he looks really terrific. 892 00:39:06.599 --> 00:39:07.619 Quite like the brass. 893 00:39:07.679 --> 00:39:10.139 I quite like turbo short. 894 00:39:10.199 --> 00:39:11.940 I'm wearing them now. 895 00:39:33.059 --> 00:39:37.199 Well, dear listeners, we're leaving Sarn for a sequence of long 896 00:39:37.199 --> 00:39:39.719 and happy adventures with the fifth doctor in Perry. 897 00:39:39.780 --> 00:39:40.980 So do come back next week. 898 00:39:41.039 --> 00:39:42.539 I hope it really works out for these two. 899 00:39:42.599 --> 00:39:46.320 Until then, you can find us online at flightthroughentirety.com 900 00:39:46.320 --> 00:39:49.559 flight through entirety on Facebook and iTunes and FTE podcast on 901 00:39:49.559 --> 00:39:51.119 Twitter over on Bondfinger. 902 00:39:51.239 --> 00:39:53.699 We still haven't released View to a kill, but there's lots of 903 00:39:53.699 --> 00:39:57.239 other bond commentaries for you to enjoy starring Sean Connery 904 00:39:57.239 --> 00:40:02.099 David Niven, Woody Allen, Peter Sellers, kind of, and Roger 905 00:40:02.099 --> 00:40:02.519 Moore. 906 00:40:02.519 --> 00:40:04.679 And Ursula Andras. 907 00:40:04.679 --> 00:40:05.039 Twice. 908 00:40:05.099 --> 00:40:05.760 Yes. 909 00:40:05.820 --> 00:40:09.239 You can find that at Bondfinger.com, Bondfinger on Facebook and 910 00:40:09.239 --> 00:40:11.579 iTunes and Bondfingercast on Twitter. 911 00:40:11.639 --> 00:40:15.659 Until next time, may none of your flaming religious leaders put 912 00:40:15.659 --> 00:40:16.380 you to the fire. 913 00:40:16.500 --> 00:40:17.940 Thank you very much for listening and good night. 914 00:40:18.000 --> 00:40:18.900 Good night. 915 00:40:18.960 --> 00:40:19.559 Good night. 916 00:40:20.519 --> 00:40:24.539 That was flight for entirety, starring Nathan Bottomley, Brendan 917 00:40:24.539 --> 00:40:25.619 Jones, and Richard Stone. 918 00:40:25.679 --> 00:40:27.780 Theme arrangement by Cameron Lamb. 919 00:40:27.840 --> 00:40:31.500 This episode just gives Great Frock was recorded on 19th of 920 00:40:31.500 --> 00:40:32.519 November 2016. 921 00:40:32.699 --> 00:40:35.519 The next episode will be released on the 7th of January. 922 00:40:38.579 --> 00:40:41.820 Here at Flight Through Entirety, we'd like to wish all of our 923 00:40:41.820 --> 00:40:46.139 listeners a very happy holiday and a thrilling, tremendous, and in 924 00:40:46.139 --> 00:40:47.820 no way, tiresome 2017. 925 00:40:50.219 --> 00:40:54.659 I was just checking that everything Todd mentioned that we've also 926 00:40:54.659 --> 00:40:54.960 mentioned. 927 00:40:55.079 --> 00:40:58.320 Yeah, I don't think I've got much else to say. 928 00:40:58.380 --> 00:41:00.659 It's so it's a bit thin, isn't it? 929 00:41:00.719 --> 00:41:01.920 But it is it is enjoyable. 930 00:41:01.980 --> 00:41:03.659 I was really surprised by how much I liked it. 931 00:41:04.380 --> 00:41:08.519 It's so nice that it completely reflects the scripts of so many 932 00:41:08.519 --> 00:41:12.659 other volcano stories such as, you know, King Solomon's mines or 933 00:41:12.659 --> 00:41:14.219 Blake 7's volcano. 934 00:41:14.280 --> 00:41:16.800 You can really see the antecedents because I know we always like 935 00:41:16.800 --> 00:41:18.119 to talk about them. 936 00:41:18.119 --> 00:41:19.139 Inferno. 937 00:41:19.199 --> 00:41:20.280 The underwater menace. 938 00:41:20.340 --> 00:41:21.059 Yes. 939 00:41:21.119 --> 00:41:22.860 Underworld with the suits. 940 00:41:22.980 --> 00:41:23.639 Underworld. 941 00:41:23.699 --> 00:41:24.059 Yes. 942 00:41:24.059 --> 00:41:25.980 Yes. 943 00:41:26.460 --> 00:41:31.139 Honestly, it's like the entire cast was on helium because the 944 00:41:31.139 --> 00:41:31.980 whole thing's evaporated. 945 00:41:32.039 --> 00:41:33.179 Did we watch this show? 946 00:41:33.239 --> 00:41:34.320 I remember watching it. 947 00:41:34.380 --> 00:41:36.539 It's got rocks, hasn't it? 948 00:41:36.659 --> 00:41:38.699 It's got burning rocks and blokes in shorts, yeah. 949 00:41:38.760 --> 00:41:39.960 Okay, no, we did see this. 950 00:41:43.800 --> 00:41:46.800 That's probably the tag scene, isn't it? 951 00:41:46.860 --> 00:41:47.519 We'll see.