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Hello, dear listeners, and welcome back to a new year of Flight

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through Entirety.

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The only Doctor Who podcast who smothers themselves in bat's milk

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for strictly medicinal purposes.

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I'm Brendan.

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I'm Nathan I'm Todd.

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I'm a generous serving of front boob and a blouse for this

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episode.

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I can do so.

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Happy Christmas past, everyone.

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And for a Doctor Who story at this time.

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There's actually a significant lack of boob.

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It is the Caves of Andrazani.

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Marry a boob, really, is there?

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It's almost flawless, almost.

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Except for one or two glaring circumstances.

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Can we just cast our mind back a few weeks to Resurrection of the

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Daleks?

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And I said that I thought that was...

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I said that I thought that that was the worst Doctor Who story

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today.

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And the reason it was bad was that the doctor was barely

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involved.

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He certainly didn't really do anything to resolve anything.

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And it was a lot of people with guns, shooting other people with

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guns, a lot of matcho dialogue, a lot of obsession with sort of

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hardware and weaponry.

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And the funny thing is, this story has all of those flaws.

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It's very, very much like resurrection of the Dale.

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A lot of frock, is there?

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Except it's really, really astonishingly good.

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I know that not everyone on the panel agrees with me.

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What's happened here is for the 1st time, I think, in John Nathan

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Turner's tenure, perhaps since David Fisher.

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We've got a writer from, well, you know, the golden age of the

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program back, and that's Bob Holmes.

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And you remember that when we did our Pertweis retrospective, all

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of the stories I chose as good Pertweis were Bob Holmes stories.

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And this is really, really on another level as far as writing's

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concerned.

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And then there's Graham Harper as well, who, again, I think this

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is the best directed story today.

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The 1st Doctor Who.

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He had only been working for 2 years.

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He saw this as his big breakout in the business and the industry.

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He really wanted to get into film and he'd studied film very

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closely.

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And you can see this. is a very filmic director.

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I would say that he understands how the movement and the action

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and the characters are the same thing.

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So the camera and the movement, and the dialogue should all work

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together.

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An actor doesn't move unless it's actually part of his

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motivation.

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But uh, you can kind of look at the stories either side of this to

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see where that doesn't actually happen.

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But here there is no gesture that's made without a damn fine

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reason, even to the point of doing a very, that very 17th century

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that very Jacobean way of, shall we say, side eye to the camera.

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But, um, and does lovely side boob to the camera as well.

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There's a lot of signing to come.

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Look, some people might say it's the best episode of Blake 7 ever

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made.

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That's what you think, Brendan.

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Yeah.

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Brendan.

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I'll I'll come back to what I think of this story later, but what

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I will pressage by saying, I think this is Kezvan Rosani is a

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brilliant piece of television.

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Yeah.

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I'm not convinced it's very good doctor.

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Ooh.

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What do you think, Tom?

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Look, I like it.

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I think the direction is great.

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And I think the direction actually helps the script.

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I mean in the last couple of episodes, like all the gun stuff, I'm

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pretty much over.

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And I actually like a lot of the stuff in the 1st episodes more

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perhaps than towards the end.

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I mean, if I cast my mind back to when I was a kid, I didn't think

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it was any better or any worse than any other Doctor Who.

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It was just another story, it was the 1st time that I knew the

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doctor was regenerating.

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Yeah, because of the 20th anniversary BBC Times radio special.

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So we knew all the stories that were coming this season, the 1st

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time ever.

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And listeners will know how much I detested the Peter Davis and

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doctor as a kid.

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And so I just wanted him gone.

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So my focus was, look, to try up and die, right?

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Gets get on with it.

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No, no, no, honestly.

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Just hurry up, die. get on with the new doctor, that's what I want

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to see.

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And so, and I was talking to a friend...

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Simon Moore, about this, we were in year 7 at the time.

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And we actually enjoyed the following story more, right?

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Because there was a new doctor and that sort of thing.

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That was my perspective.

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I think it's well directed, but there's no doubt about it.

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And I understand why people are going to say it's like one of the

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best stories of all time, but it's not my favourite by any means.

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Robert Holmes's dialogue is delicious.

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Yeah.

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I have a question for you, Todd.

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And it's something you raise there.

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Last time you were on the podcast for season 20.

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You had a rather disturbing obsession with the fact that almost no

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one was dying in the show, and we commented a few weeks ago, I

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think, during resurrection, that you must love resurrection

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because all the deaths.

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I mean, the opening scene, I think 12 people are gunned down.

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What's your opinion of the use of death in season 21.

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I'm laughing, listeners.

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I'm laughing because I commented in the 5 doctors about the cyber

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massacre and how like over the top that was.

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So I got to Warriors of the Deep and everybody gets massacred and

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you know, et cetera.

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And I'm going, okay, that's, you know, fine.

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Yep, got to resurrection of the Dialects and I'm going, oh, for

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goodness sake, just, I just want this death to stop, you know?

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Right.

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Just stop.

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So I was over it.

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I mean, that story is just so bleak.

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You can have too much of a good thing.

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There is no need.

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There is no need to kill so many people, right?

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And again, this happens here.

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I'm all for death and dying, but I think it has to be federation

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drink, listen.

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But you need you need you need people to be killed off, but you

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don't need to kill everybody.

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Otherwise it loses its impact.

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A rogue one?

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Spoilers.

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So yes, so, you know, buy halfway through Resurrection, the Daleks

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I'm going, I don't want anybody else to die.

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I think the problem with the resurrection of the Daleks, though

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isn't that everyone dies.

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I think that it's just incredibly terrible.

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And um, this one where literally everyone dies except Perry and uh

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Kraut Timmon, uh, the women live, the 2 women in the story live

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but literally everyone else, including the doctor dies, including

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the magma creature, including all of the queen bats who've

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descended down to the lower levels to die.

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And you remember that Pete and Perry are dying the entire way

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through.

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So, It was always sort of fun.

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I do remember at the time watching this for the 1st time where

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you're kind of wondering what's going to take the doctor out.

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And yeah.

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Yeah, and it's deliberately set that up that way, isn't it?

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You really do think everyone, I thought the dodgy lift might get

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in.

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But the fact that, like, really early on, they fall into the

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spectrocks.

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Well, they bounce into each other.

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You see Nicola going...

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Her bum comes back into shock.

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I'm pretty sure she goes A over T, actually.

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She is the most...

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She's the most buoyant of the dolphins.

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That's something that is wonderful about the story because with

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the 1st doctor's regeneration, it's kind of it's ceded early on in

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the story that something is happening to him.

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And even then that was, that was a production necessity because

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Hartville had a week off.

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You know, so they had to have the doctor collapsed.

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And this as well.

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God, I didn't even spot him under the latex cape.

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But, you know, all all of the other regenerations have been

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something that have happened in in a flash in the last episode.

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Yeah, you know, whereas this, we get this wonderful moment at the

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end of part 3 where the doctor is trying to land Stots's ship and

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starts to see the regeneration effect in front of him in the

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screen and he sort of shakes it off.

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And a lot of people have come to the DVD since and said, you know

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I never noticed that on broadcast and I never noticed it on

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video.

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It's noticing it on DVD.

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He's kind of shaking his head and you see from his perspective.

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Really?

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I just thought it was cheaply reusing the same effect, you know?

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Same here.

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Well, I like that interpretation, though.

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Well, according to Graham Harper, the idea is, from that moment, he

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could regenerate at any time.

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He does like do a lot of crawling and stumbling and stuff and fall

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you know.

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He's holding on.

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He's the best falling over doctor we've ever had.

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Yeah, absolutely.

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I mean, crapful.

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His falling is one of the best, his falling is the best thing in

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terminus, let's face it.

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Yes, they're much other.

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Anything else to recommend that much?

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Sorry.

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But something I've often said about this story.

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This seems to be the Doctor Who story that Robert Holmes has

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always wanted to write because he's written it twice before.

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He's written it as the Space Pirates, and he's written it as the

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Power of Kroll.

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I was going to say, it is actually the sister story and possibly

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in the same universe as Power of Kroll.

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They work together really well.

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Absolutely.

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But I think what makes this one works so well.

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In space pirates, you had the goodies and the baddies.

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The Baddie, Craven, played by Dudley Foster, I think, was really

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good.

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The good guys, General Hermak, played by Jack May. was pretty

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funny.

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I love Jack May, but he just wasn't a commanding presence, you

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know.

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In Power of Kroll, really no one's a good guy.

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No.

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Yeah, you've got the refinery workers who are horribly racist and

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you've got the swampies who are painted as the aggressors and

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literally painted in green.

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But they're not particularly presented as having much agency, you

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know, the kind of ruled by their religion and the ones who

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question it, don't really get much of a look in, et cetera.

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But in this story, you have wonderful villains.

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And you have wonderful, quote unquote.

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Good guys.

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General Chelak, he's he is a good guy by default, but at the same

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time, he's a complex character who makes decisions we find

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appalling.

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But we understand people to die.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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But we understand his reason and it doesn't reduce our sympathy

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for the character.

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You know why he was cast?

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You know, you do know that.

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Well, because Harper wanted him to be like Earl Flynn.

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So he found the closest actor he could get with a face like Flynn

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and put stuck a moustache on him.

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He looks like Flynn.

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I actually think he's I actually think he's a very brigadier like

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don't know.

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That's very true as well.

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I think I think that the way that it's written.

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Holmes is obsessed with colonialism.

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This is another colonialism thing.

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And um, and so he's a sort of blustering idiot general and he

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doesn't overplay that, but certainly Morgan says that he's

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obtuse.

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And he just seems to be a little bit thick.

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Yes, he hasn't really picked up on it all.

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No, and and, you know, clearly he's being out.

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If we were a blow-up toy for the last 3 months, that's quite

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worked it out, yeah.

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Has your hair always so perfect?

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Where is he getting his product from?

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So he doesn't play it very big or broad.

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He plays it sort of fairly naturalistically, but he is

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disappointingly unlikeable.

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And there is, there's no one in the story who isn't evil, is

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there?

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There are no good guys.

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Curry is quite, you know, as we're about to find out, you know, the

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quintessence. on.

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Well, the thing is, I look at Shara's Jack.

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I don't think he's particularly evil.

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Not at all.

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Exactly, he's the most sympathetic.

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He's a villain, certainly.

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And he frocks up like one, certainly.

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And it's, it's really the beginning of the unfortunate trope of

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villain fancies peri.

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But at the same time...

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At the same time, there is there's a complexity to that

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relationship, one of the best scenes to exemplify that is when Jet

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gets his mask ripped off, and Perry is hiding, and he goes to

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check on Perry.

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She sees his face and she screams and he recoils in terror.

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But just before the camera cuts away, Perry starts crawling

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towards him to check on him.

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And it, you know, it's a blink in your mission.

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It shouldn't have been it shouldn't have been cut quite there

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should it?

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Well, it at least...

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I think, in a way, it shouldn't, but in a way, it leaves a bit of

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ambiguity as well.

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It's it's certainly an uncomfortable characterisation, but There

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are shades of gray in most of these characters.

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I would argue with the exception of Stots and Morgas.

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Yeah.

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You know, I actually think that Sharon's Jake is horrible and much

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much more horrible than I thought he was on previous viewings.

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And I think the reason is that he is horrifically rapey when it

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comes to Perry, like absolutely revolting.

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And we talked last time about how Perry is here to be the victim

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that she's here to be manhandled and pushed around by men, and

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it's going to be the big characteristic of her run.

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And the only thing that saves it is that she is so charming and

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she plays strong and saki in this.

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It's very easy to forget with the big mistake that's coming up, if

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you want to see it that way.

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But, um, and the 2nd Bob Holmes story she does actually, but she

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kind of regains some of her tenure.

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But in this one, she's strong and feisty and totally likeable.

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And kind of the Tegan we should have had all the time.

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I actually completely disagree.

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Really?

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I find it very compassionate.

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No, she is.

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She lovely.

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Look, I really like her a lot.

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I think that interplay that we have with her and Pete at the

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beginning of episode one is marvellous and she's really terrific

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in it and Pete's really doctor-ish and, you know, Richard, you

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said how lovely it would be.

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It would have been to have a season of those 2 together.

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But in fact, all we get is that one episode because the 2 of them

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are very quickly separated.

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And then she's very quickly incapacitated.

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And so when she 1st meets Sarah's Jack, she's frightened by him, he

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keeps wanting to touch her, and attempting to touch her, and she

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doesn't want that to happen, and she's flinching and screaming

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whenever she thinks it's likely to happen.

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And there's one really awful moment where Pete puts his hand on

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her to reassure her.

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But because she's in his presence, she she flinches and screams

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slightly at Pete's.

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Because she's such a good little actor.

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She is a good actor, but the fact is that this is more stuff about

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her being a victim and her being pushed around by a man.

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And it's really, really horrible here.

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One of the moments where I think maybe it can be read as sympathy

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because of the way that Jack looks after her when she's sick, he

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turns the air conditioning on, which will eventually lead Morgus

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and Stotts to his base.

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He's keeping her face cool.

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He's looking after her.

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But the way I was reading that is she's now so incapacitated that

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she can't even object to being touched by him anymore.

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She's got no power at all to do that.

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And I think that's awful and, you know, Holmes is famous for his

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mistreatment of women, the companion who's had the worst time of

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any companion up until Perry is Sarah James Smith, and that was on

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Bob Holmes's watch.

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And so he or she gets really, really horribly pushed around.

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And so I just can't read Shara's Jack as anything other than a big

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creepy vase or...

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He was Twiggy's partner and the boyfriend.

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The 1968.

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Christopher Gable actor, yes.

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He's got very nice hairy hands, doesn't he?

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was astonishingly so, Brendan.

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Did you not notice that Graham Harper's story that Christopher

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Cable always called Harper Twinkle on all the previous productions

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and he was absolutely terrified and mortified that he'd be doing

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the same thing on this, but he didn't.

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Yes.

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Yes, yeah, sort of according to Harper, um, Christopher Gabble was

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a... actor as well, but he saw, and very pretty, which is why he

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actually had him cast as, um, was it Morgus or Stott, so it was

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one of the money.

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He was cast as one of the other roles because Harper didn't think

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he'd want to wear a cowl mask, but then he saw how pretty the mask

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was.

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No, I must have that.

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His eyelashes are lovely.

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He brought his own line, I should say.

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Christopher Gable saw this as an opportunity to stretch himself as

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an actor.

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And there's a feature on the DVD archive or recording because

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Christopher Gable is no longer with us.

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Um, an archive recording where he discusses, if you like, his sort

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of method for getting inside the mind of the character. wrapping

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up.

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Graham Harper has even speculated that perhaps the reason he

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didn't do the whole twinkle and jokey thing was because he saw

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this as an opportunity to play a real part, if you like.

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Because, I suppose as a dancer, it's very easy to end up in the

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chorus with no character at all.

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Whereas, you know, you're given a character, you're gonna run with

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it.

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Little world on Graham Harper.

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He was uncredited as the director for several scenes of Warrior's

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Gate when Paul Joyce was removed from the set before being invited

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back on.

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Paul Joyce, much like Graham Harper, was trying to be a filmic

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director and as such, fell massively behind time in the BBC set to

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the point that John Nathan Turner came down and said to him, right

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you're out.

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Graham and I are going to do this.

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We don't have time.

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Paul Joyce went and sat in the BBC bar.

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And half an hour later, John Nathan Turner came to him and said

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look, we can't decipher your shooting screen.

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I'm sure something can be arranged.

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So I think Harper even then directed a few sequences afterwards

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sort of simpler sequences while Paul Joyce focussed on the more

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complex ones.

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So Graham Harper makes far more a success of the filming approach

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but there are still moments that were dropped.

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Do we know about these?

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No, quite a bit. every episode overran.

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And they still overrun, but yeah, it was quite a considerable

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amount cut out.

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There are deleted scenes on the DVD and there's one very famous

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sequence that just wasn't shot at all because they wanted to a bit

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like Pertwee's departure.

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They wanted to tick a few boxes for Pete.

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So of course they explain what the salary is for.

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It turns purple in the presence of gases in the praxis range. at

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which point he is good for his team.

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And it's a powerful restorative on the black galafrase.

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And can be inserted nasally.

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Yes.

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And they also wanted to give him a sort of heroic fight scene.

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And that's what the magma creature was about.

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Really?

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I'm going to fight the magma creature.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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So in episode in episode four, when he's trying to get to Perry, he

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was going to fight the magma creature and they ran out of time.

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They left for the end of the day.

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And so it's replaced with the doctor finding it shot despite the

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fact, and Graham Harper says this.

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We've seen bullets don't affect it.

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So what's killed it?

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We don't know, and that's why the doctor finds, but says, hmm, it's

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not your day either.

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But in a way, that's more Davidson.

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Yeah, a fight scene.

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And it continues that theme of everything dying.

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The magma creature has to die.

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The magma creature is another of sort of Bob Holmes great.

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Great loves, like when he has to put in the crap creature that

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they have to visualise, you know, it's a man creature.

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We also get the giant bat as well.

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Yeah.

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Which is kind of true.

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At least that's covered in smoke, you know?

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Well, I mean, he, when the magma creature attacks someone.

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And of course, it's got rubbery hands.

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So it stars in the Cliffhanger to episode two, which is very

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exciting with its rubbery hands.

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When the magma creature attacks someone, Graham Harper just makes

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the camera go out of focus so that we can't see how truly terrible

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it is.

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It is shocking.

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It's great abs though.

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It's well fit and great sturdy but very short little legs because

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you know Janet was still actually engaged in being paid for the

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performance in this.

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It probably played in the in the 1st 15, the Andrazani major 1st

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15.

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No, it's Janet.

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She was still being, yeah.

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We can never, ever act Janet on Twitter.

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My main problem with the magma creature is the stupid cape.

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Yeah, why does it have a cape?

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And the thing is, it's this rigid carapace that it doesn't quite

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fill out.

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It's covering up something that was even worse.

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It gives it a bustle.

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Well, I don't know.

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Did it look like a penis or something?

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That's the only reason to give something a cape in Doctor Who.

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Sorry, Justin Chatwood. not saying you.

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You are.

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A penis.

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No that would be unkind.

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Yes.

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However, so who else do we need to talk about?

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I mean, Perry's sort of sidelined because she's sick.

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Pete's sideline because it's Bob Holmes doing a Seward story.

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I think we need to talk about the Trow and the crowd.

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Yeah I think we probably do.

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You know who they originally cast us, don't you?

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Steve and Mrs. Peel.

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I wish, and Charles Morgus, and John Normington is just the

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greatest thing in the history of the universe.

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Harper wanted Alan Lake and Diana Dawes.

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Wow.

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We've covered a lot of this in the fabulous story called

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Underworld when we talked about Dinosaurs and Alan Laker were kind

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of like the old wheezy couple, but they were both very fine

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actors.

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Alan Lake especially.

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Very, very good actor.

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I think it would have been amazing as Morgus.

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And John Normington, I think, is he doesn't get the credit that he

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deserves for this because I think he's absolutely superb.

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Oh, he makes this.

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The best thing about him is he's constantly expressing sort of

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regret and panic.

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Think about when the president falls down the lift shaft or when

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the Northcore copper mine, blows up or whatever, and he's

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constantly expressing regret or these serious emotions, and he

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does it in this completely affectless way.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Which just makes him sound fabulously, superbly insincere.

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How tragic.

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It could been worse.

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It could have been me.

506
00:22:17.220 --> 00:22:19.980
Yo, that it's such a chilling line.

507
00:22:20.099 --> 00:22:23.819
Talking of the president down the lift well.

508
00:22:23.880 --> 00:22:25.559
Like, I mean, I just remember that as a kid.

509
00:22:25.619 --> 00:22:28.380
It's just something that just sticks in your mind, like the fact

510
00:22:28.380 --> 00:22:31.859
that he's, he's just done a, and have the attendant shot as well.

511
00:22:31.920 --> 00:22:32.940
A technician shot.

512
00:22:33.000 --> 00:22:34.559
It's just like, really?

513
00:22:34.619 --> 00:22:35.880
like you've just planned all this.

514
00:22:35.940 --> 00:22:39.480
It always bobs back into my mind because in LA law a few years

515
00:22:39.480 --> 00:22:43.440
later, there was a character called Rosalind Shays played by

516
00:22:43.440 --> 00:22:44.880
Diana...

517
00:22:44.880 --> 00:22:45.420
Moldar.

518
00:22:45.420 --> 00:22:47.099
TV's Dr. Pulaski.

519
00:22:47.160 --> 00:22:51.000
And she was sort of the semi-regular evil sort of bitch villain.

520
00:22:51.059 --> 00:22:55.140
They call the lift, and next thing you know, she's talking to one

521
00:22:55.140 --> 00:22:57.420
of the guys and just walks straight in and the lift hasn't arrived

522
00:22:57.420 --> 00:22:59.160
and she falls to her death, you know?

523
00:22:59.220 --> 00:23:02.099
And I just, and I always think of case of Andersani and think

524
00:23:02.099 --> 00:23:05.579
whoever wrote that episode of LA Law, I reckon must have seen this

525
00:23:05.579 --> 00:23:06.660
episode of Doctor Who.

526
00:23:06.720 --> 00:23:08.940
It's tremendous the way that Morgus.

527
00:23:09.000 --> 00:23:12.660
Morgus goes to shake his hand at the president who moves his hand

528
00:23:12.660 --> 00:23:15.059
towards him and then he just pushes him instead.

529
00:23:15.119 --> 00:23:16.319
It's so terrific.

530
00:23:16.380 --> 00:23:18.359
And the president is wonderful as well.

531
00:23:18.420 --> 00:23:22.319
He's got this sort of great posh voice and there's all this stuff

532
00:23:22.319 --> 00:23:23.039
about morality.

533
00:23:23.099 --> 00:23:25.680
The president almost risks being a good guy.

534
00:23:25.740 --> 00:23:29.519
Yes, there's the level of my, I've had to suppress my ethics for

535
00:23:29.519 --> 00:23:33.299
power, but he actually does believe himself to be a moral man.

536
00:23:33.359 --> 00:23:35.220
He certainly judges morgas.

537
00:23:35.279 --> 00:23:38.099
Remember, there's that conversation about closing some of the

538
00:23:38.099 --> 00:23:41.819
plants in the east so that people can work for no pain.

539
00:23:41.880 --> 00:23:43.920
Exactly, which, well, welcome to Australia.

540
00:23:43.980 --> 00:23:48.240
Do you not over in the West for less than $2 a day if Ms. Reinhardt

541
00:23:48.240 --> 00:23:49.200
can bring them in?

542
00:23:49.259 --> 00:23:50.279
It's so topical.

543
00:23:50.339 --> 00:23:54.359
But I think it gives us a really lovely posit of something Holmes

544
00:23:54.359 --> 00:23:57.000
was always talking about the politicians are actually powerless, no

545
00:23:57.000 --> 00:24:00.059
matter how decent their motivations may be.

546
00:24:00.119 --> 00:24:02.220
They are nothing but puppets that can be dropped from a great

547
00:24:02.220 --> 00:24:03.599
height whenever necessary.

548
00:24:03.660 --> 00:24:05.160
And he is cynical.

549
00:24:05.220 --> 00:24:07.079
I mean, the president still is cynical.

550
00:24:07.140 --> 00:24:09.660
He goes, you know, I suppose we might make that seem morally

551
00:24:09.660 --> 00:24:10.799
justifiable.

552
00:24:10.859 --> 00:24:11.640
Yeah.

553
00:24:11.700 --> 00:24:14.880
And I mean, Holmes is a great cynic and here he just gives it free

554
00:24:14.880 --> 00:24:15.539
reign.

555
00:24:15.599 --> 00:24:17.279
Not a lot of new hope in this, is there?

556
00:24:17.339 --> 00:24:18.240
It really isn't.

557
00:24:18.299 --> 00:24:20.519
No, no, it's very it's very much a hopeless story.

558
00:24:20.579 --> 00:24:23.819
As a kid, I really disliked all the asides.

559
00:24:24.000 --> 00:24:26.339
When he turns to camera.

560
00:24:26.400 --> 00:24:27.539
Look, I just hated it.

561
00:24:27.599 --> 00:24:29.220
You didn't have BBC Shakespeare.

562
00:24:29.220 --> 00:24:31.559
Well, you were having to sit through all of those Lala wards doing

563
00:24:31.559 --> 00:24:32.220
side-eye.

564
00:24:32.279 --> 00:24:36.779
And I just felt it got worse and worse is like at 1st it's at the

565
00:24:36.779 --> 00:24:39.059
to the side and then it's directly into the camera.

566
00:24:39.119 --> 00:24:40.619
And I really disliked that.

567
00:24:40.680 --> 00:24:43.680
Maybe if you'd been 3 or 4 years older, because we loved it.

568
00:24:43.740 --> 00:24:44.880
What do you do now?

569
00:24:44.880 --> 00:24:48.180
No, but we were 15, we're sorry, I'm just, this is the best thing

570
00:24:48.180 --> 00:24:48.420
ever.

571
00:24:48.480 --> 00:24:49.980
I just went, oh, really?

572
00:24:50.039 --> 00:24:55.440
Now I still am annoyed by the direct shots to camera later on.

573
00:24:55.500 --> 00:24:57.059
I like the earlier sides.

574
00:24:57.119 --> 00:25:00.299
I mean, you know, I've got that baggage from a kid and as a kid

575
00:25:00.299 --> 00:25:03.180
and I, you know, but I think his performance is great and then...

576
00:25:03.180 --> 00:25:04.259
You know, it's an accident, don't they?

577
00:25:04.259 --> 00:25:09.059
Yeah, the notes were to slightly askance to the camera, but

578
00:25:09.059 --> 00:25:13.019
Normington interpreted doing it as Jacobean drama is, you know, as

579
00:25:13.019 --> 00:25:13.799
Cod Shakespeare's.

580
00:25:13.859 --> 00:25:15.839
Yeah, and apparently...

581
00:25:15.839 --> 00:25:18.059
You remember House of Cards where Ian...

582
00:25:18.059 --> 00:25:22.319
In Richardson very, very frequently turns to Cameron and it just

583
00:25:22.319 --> 00:25:25.799
shows his control of the entire television program, that there can

584
00:25:25.799 --> 00:25:28.920
be people around him actually listening to him and he's so

585
00:25:28.920 --> 00:25:31.980
confident that he can just deliver it soliloquy. bring that up

586
00:25:31.980 --> 00:25:34.019
because when you see Spacey do it over the period.

587
00:25:34.079 --> 00:25:36.839
How long has Cast of Cards of US been going 17 seasons, something

588
00:25:36.839 --> 00:25:37.319
like that?

589
00:25:37.380 --> 00:25:38.339
Yeah, something like that.

590
00:25:38.400 --> 00:25:39.000
Four at least.

591
00:25:39.000 --> 00:25:39.660
Yeah, 14.

592
00:25:39.960 --> 00:25:40.380
Okay, yeah.

593
00:25:40.440 --> 00:25:43.079
But it's so successful.

594
00:25:43.140 --> 00:25:44.940
Those are sides.

595
00:25:44.940 --> 00:25:46.440
Because it's weird.

596
00:25:46.500 --> 00:25:49.259
I had this one on video as a kid, but...

597
00:25:49.259 --> 00:25:53.460
I don't recall ever watching it in full.

598
00:25:53.519 --> 00:25:56.339
I would fast forward to the end and I would watch the regeneration

599
00:25:56.339 --> 00:25:57.359
scene over and over again.

600
00:25:57.480 --> 00:26:02.819
Spoiler alert, um, but I don't, you know, I don't know if it

601
00:26:02.819 --> 00:26:06.119
scared me or there was something else I didn't like about it, but

602
00:26:06.119 --> 00:26:10.079
I never watched the full story until it came out on DVD in, what

603
00:26:10.079 --> 00:26:11.160
2000, 2001.

604
00:26:11.279 --> 00:26:13.440
Just check the show notes, it'll tell you.

605
00:26:13.500 --> 00:26:13.980
Yeah.

606
00:26:14.039 --> 00:26:19.259
So, you know, 1st time I watched this, I was 18, 19.

607
00:26:19.500 --> 00:26:24.299
And those asides, I knew there were asides.

608
00:26:24.359 --> 00:26:29.039
I knew that, but the 1st time, and I think his very 1st aside is

609
00:26:29.039 --> 00:26:30.000
straight down the camera.

610
00:26:30.059 --> 00:26:32.519
The 1st time he turned to the camera, I jumped in my seat.

611
00:26:32.579 --> 00:26:34.140
It's really funny.

612
00:26:34.200 --> 00:26:37.019
I think he just says, you spineless critton or something like

613
00:26:37.019 --> 00:26:37.200
that.

614
00:26:37.259 --> 00:26:40.859
I mean, I just thought it was part of the direction and what makes

615
00:26:40.859 --> 00:26:43.859
this story stand out is that direction.

616
00:26:43.920 --> 00:26:46.859
And also, isn't it a 3D shop where they walk around?

617
00:26:47.579 --> 00:26:50.640
Oh, that, yeah, that magnificent 3D monitor in the middle of the

618
00:26:50.640 --> 00:26:51.119
room. yeah.

619
00:26:51.180 --> 00:26:53.819
Yeah, which is something that, you know, hasn't hadn't been done

620
00:26:53.819 --> 00:26:54.359
before as well.

621
00:26:54.420 --> 00:26:56.700
So, you know, I think I think they do work.

622
00:26:56.759 --> 00:27:00.359
I mean, I'm not, yeah, I think, you know, the direction.

623
00:27:00.420 --> 00:27:05.339
But one of my overriding things is in the Australian broadcast is

624
00:27:05.339 --> 00:27:09.660
at the end of episode 4 where the mask is pulled off Sheriff's

625
00:27:09.660 --> 00:27:10.019
check.

626
00:27:10.079 --> 00:27:14.880
It cuts from the mask being pulled off to the whole labs on fire

627
00:27:14.880 --> 00:27:16.019
and everybody's dead.

628
00:27:16.079 --> 00:27:16.559
Right?

629
00:27:16.619 --> 00:27:18.539
That's one of the overriding things.

630
00:27:18.599 --> 00:27:20.160
I remember I just went, what the hell?

631
00:27:20.220 --> 00:27:22.859
Like the fact that his face is so hideous has caused this entire

632
00:27:22.859 --> 00:27:27.660
destruction like within a second, but obviously I knew the sensors

633
00:27:27.660 --> 00:27:28.140
got to it.

634
00:27:28.200 --> 00:27:30.240
And it's one of the few times in Doctor Who, where I really went

635
00:27:30.240 --> 00:27:33.000
oh my goodness, you know, there has been a big cut.

636
00:27:33.059 --> 00:27:34.319
So there are quite a few cards.

637
00:27:34.380 --> 00:27:37.259
So when Sharon's Jack threatens to pull the doctor's arms and legs

638
00:27:37.259 --> 00:27:38.640
off, that's cunt.

639
00:27:38.700 --> 00:27:42.539
The scene where Stotts and Kralpa, where Stotts is holding Kralpa

640
00:27:42.539 --> 00:27:45.779
down, has a knife to his neck and is forcing him to eat a cyanide

641
00:27:45.779 --> 00:27:46.140
peel.

642
00:27:46.200 --> 00:27:47.099
That's cut.

643
00:27:47.160 --> 00:27:51.000
The scene where Stots and it's a fantastic scene, where Stots and

644
00:27:51.000 --> 00:27:54.420
Morgus go off, leaving Kralpa behind in the shuttle and then Stots

645
00:27:54.420 --> 00:27:58.859
comes back and just casually guns crop her down and smiles and

646
00:27:58.859 --> 00:28:01.019
then leaves that was cut completely.

647
00:28:01.079 --> 00:28:05.519
And I've objected to that sort of thing in Doctor Who, you know

648
00:28:05.519 --> 00:28:09.299
over the last little while to, you know, pus coming out of

649
00:28:09.299 --> 00:28:12.480
people's faces and people screaming in terrors, they're killed and

650
00:28:12.480 --> 00:28:13.559
all of that sort of thing.

651
00:28:13.619 --> 00:28:16.380
Like, I don't think that that's right for tea time TV.

652
00:28:16.440 --> 00:28:21.299
But here, I just think it's, it's so confidently done and so

653
00:28:21.299 --> 00:28:21.539
good.

654
00:28:21.599 --> 00:28:24.359
And it is kind of Bob Holmes.

655
00:28:24.420 --> 00:28:29.519
You know, Bob Holmes has this thing where he gives, say, would

656
00:28:29.519 --> 00:28:33.779
what, say, would want in a kind of stuff you sort of way.

657
00:28:33.839 --> 00:28:36.839
But it's just done with more, well, intelligence.

658
00:28:36.900 --> 00:28:38.640
Yeah, it's so well done.

659
00:28:38.700 --> 00:28:40.619
It's done with characters.

660
00:28:40.799 --> 00:28:43.380
It's rather than archetypes.

661
00:28:43.440 --> 00:28:44.880
Which we were talking about in the beginning.

662
00:28:44.940 --> 00:28:48.599
There is no action that is not without the character's full

663
00:28:48.599 --> 00:28:49.079
motivation.

664
00:28:49.140 --> 00:28:50.700
It's not saying going to the plot.

665
00:28:50.819 --> 00:28:53.759
So think of that scene with Stotts and Krelp, where Stotts is

666
00:28:53.759 --> 00:28:54.960
force feeding him the pill.

667
00:28:55.019 --> 00:28:56.460
It's very powerful.

668
00:28:56.579 --> 00:28:59.940
So it starts, stots is lying on the ground relaxing.

669
00:29:00.000 --> 00:29:01.619
Krelpa stands over him.

670
00:29:01.680 --> 00:29:06.480
Harper shoots between Cralper's legs at Stotts who's lying down.

671
00:29:06.480 --> 00:29:11.640
And then there's that conflict where it's all about men manning

672
00:29:11.640 --> 00:29:14.400
and being men at each other and that kind of thing.

673
00:29:14.400 --> 00:29:16.740
You manned me in the face.

674
00:29:16.799 --> 00:29:17.940
That really hurt.

675
00:29:18.000 --> 00:29:18.839
Sorry, go on.

676
00:29:18.900 --> 00:29:22.319
But then the end of the scene is the exact reverse of that where

677
00:29:22.319 --> 00:29:24.000
Kralpa has been defeated.

678
00:29:24.059 --> 00:29:28.619
He's lying exactly where Stotts was lying and the camera is now

679
00:29:28.619 --> 00:29:30.180
shooting between Stotts' legs.

680
00:29:30.180 --> 00:29:32.400
It's so thoughtful and so well done.

681
00:29:32.460 --> 00:29:36.299
It's grotesque and it's over the top and it's super violent and

682
00:29:36.299 --> 00:29:41.519
stuff, but it's, it's really, really good at establishing the

683
00:29:41.519 --> 00:29:43.619
relationship between Stotts and Kralpa.

684
00:29:43.680 --> 00:29:47.099
I have to say, because it's been a while since I've treated the

685
00:29:47.099 --> 00:29:48.539
listeners to a comment from Broad.

686
00:29:49.200 --> 00:29:52.980
Yeah, that scene, the end of that scene, we both just looked at

687
00:29:52.980 --> 00:29:57.299
each other and at the end of the story when he was giving me his

688
00:29:57.299 --> 00:29:57.599
notes.

689
00:29:57.660 --> 00:29:59.160
He's like, that bit with the pill.

690
00:29:59.220 --> 00:30:00.299
Bit homorotic.

691
00:30:00.359 --> 00:30:00.900
I like, yeah.

692
00:30:01.019 --> 00:30:04.799
Yeah, and it helps that it's Maurice Roves.

693
00:30:04.859 --> 00:30:06.839
Yes, isn't he tremendous?

694
00:30:06.900 --> 00:30:09.779
He is special import, Maurice Rue.

695
00:30:09.839 --> 00:30:12.839
And a special import twice, in fact, because he did live in the

696
00:30:12.839 --> 00:30:13.200
States.

697
00:30:13.259 --> 00:30:16.740
And the original location filming.

698
00:30:16.799 --> 00:30:20.460
There was a scratch on the film and they had to recall him.

699
00:30:20.519 --> 00:30:21.420
Wow.

700
00:30:21.420 --> 00:30:25.440
And it was remounted between the 2 studio blocks, which presented

701
00:30:25.440 --> 00:30:29.640
a problem because if they couldn't get him for that location

702
00:30:29.640 --> 00:30:33.720
filming, they already had one studio block with him the stots.

703
00:30:33.779 --> 00:30:36.240
They couldn't recast the part, they would have had to rewrite all

704
00:30:36.240 --> 00:30:36.539
the stuff.

705
00:30:36.599 --> 00:30:40.079
He was already back in the States because I think everything he

706
00:30:40.079 --> 00:30:42.660
had to do in studio was done in the 1st studio session.

707
00:30:42.720 --> 00:30:46.200
But he said, yes, of course, you know, of course I'll come back

708
00:30:46.200 --> 00:30:46.440
over.

709
00:30:46.500 --> 00:30:48.660
You have to pay for my flights and accommodation and whatnot.

710
00:30:48.720 --> 00:30:52.079
But I don't think he even asked for an extra fee or if he did, it

711
00:30:52.079 --> 00:30:54.779
was not a rush fee or anything like that.

712
00:30:54.839 --> 00:30:57.539
He was quite happy to come over and do it because he enjoyed the

713
00:30:57.539 --> 00:30:59.039
work so much and the quality of the script.

714
00:30:59.099 --> 00:31:02.039
And because he was just sitting by the pool otherwise, wasn't he?

715
00:31:02.099 --> 00:31:03.900
With all those lovely pounds around him.

716
00:31:03.960 --> 00:31:07.380
Why do you have to send overseas for an actor?

717
00:31:07.559 --> 00:31:09.299
He is really good.

718
00:31:09.359 --> 00:31:12.720
And I think they were trying to recreate Scorbi, but I mean, he's

719
00:31:12.720 --> 00:31:14.579
better than Scorbi from Seeds of Doom.

720
00:31:14.640 --> 00:31:15.180
Is that right?

721
00:31:15.240 --> 00:31:15.900
Did I dream?

722
00:31:15.960 --> 00:31:17.220
Or Captain Peacock, right?

723
00:31:17.220 --> 00:31:18.839
Or Captain Peacock.

724
00:31:18.900 --> 00:31:21.059
He does play a Romulan many years later.

725
00:31:21.119 --> 00:31:23.519
Are you being served reboot, Todd?

726
00:31:23.579 --> 00:31:25.140
Yeah, Scorbit.

727
00:31:25.200 --> 00:31:25.559
Yeah, okay.

728
00:31:25.619 --> 00:31:27.599
Yes, not Maurice Rose.

729
00:31:28.799 --> 00:31:30.539
No, he's Miss Brahms.

730
00:31:31.319 --> 00:31:36.000
He's a Romulan in a really terrible CC6 Star Trek episode.

731
00:31:36.059 --> 00:31:39.480
Yeah, that's right Which also features Linda Thawson.

732
00:31:39.900 --> 00:31:40.799
As a Cardassian.

733
00:31:40.859 --> 00:31:44.039
And it's just like, I wish she'd come back on Deep Space now

734
00:31:44.039 --> 00:31:45.000
because she's fabulous.

735
00:31:45.059 --> 00:31:45.960
She's really good in that.

736
00:31:46.019 --> 00:31:49.440
She just walks in and insults everyone without even opening her

737
00:31:49.440 --> 00:31:49.920
mouth.

738
00:31:49.980 --> 00:31:50.940
She's brilliant.

739
00:31:51.299 --> 00:31:53.220
Speaking of brilliant.

740
00:31:53.759 --> 00:31:54.480
Crow timid.

741
00:31:54.539 --> 00:31:56.039
Yes.

742
00:31:56.039 --> 00:31:57.660
I think she's wonderful.

743
00:31:57.720 --> 00:32:00.720
And I just like the way how she swans in and is asked to do all

744
00:32:00.720 --> 00:32:04.079
this sort of stuff and you kind of, you kind of not sure if she's

745
00:32:04.079 --> 00:32:05.819
really taking any interest in it all.

746
00:32:05.880 --> 00:32:09.779
And then it's just so delicious when she just turns the table on

747
00:32:09.779 --> 00:32:11.099
Morgus at the end.

748
00:32:11.160 --> 00:32:14.400
But, you know, to promote this secretary to this position, she has

749
00:32:14.400 --> 00:32:18.000
obviously got files on so many people and it's not like she's

750
00:32:18.000 --> 00:32:21.000
actually really a nice person because she's in it for herself to

751
00:32:21.000 --> 00:32:21.420
get that job.

752
00:32:21.480 --> 00:32:25.920
But it's, it's a, I just think it's a fantastic moment in the

753
00:32:25.920 --> 00:32:26.279
story.

754
00:32:26.339 --> 00:32:29.700
She does question him one time is that there's a wonderful moment

755
00:32:29.700 --> 00:32:33.059
where Sharon's Jack says that he wants the head of Morgas at his

756
00:32:33.059 --> 00:32:34.920
feet congealed in its own evil blood.

757
00:32:35.039 --> 00:32:38.819
And then we crossfade to the head of Morgas and the head of Morgas

758
00:32:38.819 --> 00:32:42.779
is issuing the directive about the director of the Southcore

759
00:32:42.779 --> 00:32:43.500
copper mine.

760
00:32:43.559 --> 00:32:45.299
I think every time I mention that mine, it's from a different

761
00:32:45.299 --> 00:32:47.220
point of a compass. which one it is.

762
00:32:47.279 --> 00:32:52.140
But he's died, and he orders all of the staff to stand silently

763
00:32:52.140 --> 00:32:57.539
for a minute in remembrance of him, and then he goes, no, wait a

764
00:32:57.539 --> 00:33:00.960
minute, make that half a minute, that she kind of does the eyebrow

765
00:33:00.960 --> 00:33:04.380
as him as if she, you know, can scarcely believe it.

766
00:33:04.440 --> 00:33:10.859
And that final scene where she comes in, she's at Morgas's desk

767
00:33:10.859 --> 00:33:15.180
and she just completely schools Morgas and tells him off and she

768
00:33:15.180 --> 00:33:15.539
does it.

769
00:33:15.660 --> 00:33:17.819
Like not from close-up.

770
00:33:17.880 --> 00:33:19.259
We never actually see her directly.

771
00:33:19.380 --> 00:33:20.940
She's on a video screen.

772
00:33:21.000 --> 00:33:24.000
She's like on a television, which is, you know, in the middle of

773
00:33:24.000 --> 00:33:24.539
the frame.

774
00:33:24.599 --> 00:33:27.839
She's not very big in the frame, but she absolutely controls the

775
00:33:27.839 --> 00:33:31.019
scene, nevertheless, and she's sitting there with her feet on

776
00:33:31.019 --> 00:33:32.220
Morgas's desk.

777
00:33:32.339 --> 00:33:33.420
She's just tremendous.

778
00:33:33.480 --> 00:33:37.859
That, though, is so Shakespearean as well.

779
00:33:37.920 --> 00:33:42.119
Not just the betrayal of the lieutenant, if you like, but say at

780
00:33:42.119 --> 00:33:46.619
the end of Macbeth, when the battle is being lost, a soldier comes

781
00:33:46.619 --> 00:33:49.559
in and says to Macbeth, the battle is being lost and it's just all

782
00:33:49.559 --> 00:33:50.160
off stage.

783
00:33:50.220 --> 00:33:54.779
Well, this is off stage and it's so off stage, it's just in the

784
00:33:54.779 --> 00:33:55.680
video monitor.

785
00:33:55.740 --> 00:33:59.460
It's just from the perspective of Morgas, who is the hubristic

786
00:33:59.460 --> 00:34:04.259
figure in this, just like Macbeth was, and Morgas has killed the

787
00:34:04.259 --> 00:34:04.619
king.

788
00:34:04.680 --> 00:34:06.299
He's killed the president.

789
00:34:06.839 --> 00:34:11.039
Not exactly to assume the office of the president, but to assume

790
00:34:11.039 --> 00:34:14.460
the power, as Macbeth does, as well.

791
00:34:14.519 --> 00:34:19.380
And in this, you've got Krautim and just reporting from afar, you

792
00:34:19.380 --> 00:34:21.179
know, the battle is lost, sir, right?

793
00:34:21.239 --> 00:34:22.500
The messenger from the battlefield.

794
00:34:22.860 --> 00:34:27.420
But it's got that modern twist of, yeah, if Shakespeare had had

795
00:34:27.420 --> 00:34:31.320
video screens at the back of the stage, he would have used that

796
00:34:31.320 --> 00:34:35.280
kind of thing, you know, because that is the modern messenger at

797
00:34:35.280 --> 00:34:35.699
this point.

798
00:34:35.760 --> 00:34:40.800
It's really clever of Holmes and Harper and especially the way

799
00:34:40.800 --> 00:34:41.820
Harper shoots it.

800
00:34:41.880 --> 00:34:42.659
Yeah.

801
00:34:42.719 --> 00:34:45.420
Yeah, we're not even the camera isn't even directly on the video

802
00:34:45.420 --> 00:34:45.900
screen.

803
00:34:45.960 --> 00:34:47.280
The video screens at an angle.

804
00:34:47.340 --> 00:34:47.820
It in the middle.

805
00:34:47.880 --> 00:34:51.900
It's not a very big part of the frame, but she completely owns

806
00:34:51.900 --> 00:34:52.320
that scene.

807
00:34:52.440 --> 00:34:57.840
And especially it's it's the only time that Morgus looks surprised

808
00:34:57.840 --> 00:34:59.219
in the whole story.

809
00:34:59.460 --> 00:35:02.639
And even then his voice doesn't waver.

810
00:35:02.699 --> 00:35:05.280
He's still got that crap.

811
00:35:05.340 --> 00:35:05.940
Why?

812
00:35:06.000 --> 00:35:07.440
Are you sitting at my desk?

813
00:35:08.400 --> 00:35:10.079
He's so good.

814
00:35:10.139 --> 00:35:13.380
Well, I don't think there's a weak performance in any of this, and

815
00:35:13.380 --> 00:35:18.719
we've talked about Chelac, and Sharon's Jack, and Morgus, and...

816
00:35:18.719 --> 00:35:19.440
Janet Field.

817
00:35:19.500 --> 00:35:25.380
Salatine is, for me, initially, whenever I watch this, I kind of

818
00:35:25.380 --> 00:35:27.659
think, oh, that performance, but those teeth.

819
00:35:27.719 --> 00:35:29.340
I know looking, isn't he?

820
00:35:29.460 --> 00:35:33.360
to the fact that he's playing an Android, and then you see the

821
00:35:33.360 --> 00:35:37.860
difference in the actual real one versus his Android version, and

822
00:35:37.860 --> 00:35:39.960
it makes me appreciate what he's doing, what he's doing.

823
00:35:40.019 --> 00:35:43.260
But initially, I kind of always go, I always go, you're a big crap

824
00:35:43.260 --> 00:35:44.880
but I understand why.

825
00:35:44.940 --> 00:35:47.760
I think the Android is spectacular, and there are some great

826
00:35:47.760 --> 00:35:51.599
moments where, so for instance, he sees the real Salatine and

827
00:35:51.599 --> 00:35:55.320
Perry in the next room through the wall, but he doesn't say

828
00:35:55.320 --> 00:35:58.980
anything, and it's all just told visually, and he has this great

829
00:35:58.980 --> 00:36:00.360
eyebrow thing as well.

830
00:36:00.420 --> 00:36:04.619
He's constantly behind Shellac because Shellac's always forward in

831
00:36:04.619 --> 00:36:07.619
the frame and and Salatin's behind him talking to him.

832
00:36:07.679 --> 00:36:11.219
And he does lots of turning and raising his eyebrow.

833
00:36:11.280 --> 00:36:15.539
And there's that wonderful thing where Pete suggests to Shara's

834
00:36:15.539 --> 00:36:19.619
Jack that Salatin can't be a perfect copy and that someone will

835
00:36:19.619 --> 00:36:20.940
eventually see through it.

836
00:36:21.000 --> 00:36:25.079
And again, we cut, or maybe even crossfade, to an interaction

837
00:36:25.079 --> 00:36:29.760
between Salatine, where Salatine is just super ludicrously

838
00:36:29.760 --> 00:36:30.179
efficient.

839
00:36:30.239 --> 00:36:33.780
Yeah, you know, in this really preposterous way.

840
00:36:33.840 --> 00:36:37.739
And then we cut back and there's no dialogue explaining why we're

841
00:36:37.739 --> 00:36:38.940
going to that or anything like that.

842
00:36:39.000 --> 00:36:42.599
It is just this, and here's why Salatine's not going to be

843
00:36:42.599 --> 00:36:43.079
convincing.

844
00:36:43.139 --> 00:36:46.559
Yeah, you can see how fastbinders completely based your entire

845
00:36:46.559 --> 00:36:50.400
performance, but alien Prometheus and Covenant is coming up.

846
00:36:50.519 --> 00:36:54.420
I think also, Salatin is another example of characters who you

847
00:36:54.420 --> 00:36:59.699
might expect to be good guys being evil, and it happens twice that

848
00:36:59.699 --> 00:37:03.059
when a character is told that both Perry and the doctor are

849
00:37:03.059 --> 00:37:06.960
suffering from spectroxoxemia, The character laughs at them.

850
00:37:06.960 --> 00:37:12.360
And Salatine laughs uproariously at the revelation and is kind of

851
00:37:12.360 --> 00:37:13.199
glad about it.

852
00:37:13.260 --> 00:37:17.280
And so he's evil as well. everyone we meet is evil.

853
00:37:17.400 --> 00:37:21.000
The thing is, though, with that laugh, I've got a slightly

854
00:37:21.000 --> 00:37:25.260
different interpretation of it, he's been prisoner with Sharon's

855
00:37:25.260 --> 00:37:25.800
Jack for months.

856
00:37:25.860 --> 00:37:28.500
So all he's got for company are Androids and a Madman.

857
00:37:28.559 --> 00:37:32.519
He's started to go a little bit mad himself and that laugh he

858
00:37:32.519 --> 00:37:32.820
does.

859
00:37:32.880 --> 00:37:33.360
It's not.

860
00:37:34.199 --> 00:37:36.239
It's not a kind of I find this hilarious laugh.

861
00:37:36.300 --> 00:37:41.940
It's an hysterical, ironic reaction, and it's not because they're

862
00:37:41.940 --> 00:37:42.179
dying.

863
00:37:42.239 --> 00:37:44.880
It's because Shara's jack has been foiled again.

864
00:37:44.940 --> 00:37:48.420
Yeah, although he does say to the doctor, I don't suppose you see

865
00:37:48.420 --> 00:37:49.920
the funny side of it.

866
00:37:49.980 --> 00:37:51.239
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

867
00:37:51.300 --> 00:37:53.519
And yeah, I love the doctor's reaction to it.

868
00:37:53.579 --> 00:37:55.079
Oh, marvellous sense of humour.

869
00:37:55.139 --> 00:37:55.980
What do you mean we're dying?

870
00:37:56.099 --> 00:37:59.639
Pete is so darkly funny in this.

871
00:37:59.699 --> 00:38:02.340
Like when Shara's joke is saying, oh, you know, I've got company

872
00:38:02.340 --> 00:38:05.280
now, the doctor says, oh, yes, long walks on the beach, picnics

873
00:38:05.280 --> 00:38:07.440
well-prepared meals, that sort of thing.

874
00:38:07.500 --> 00:38:10.980
It's it's homes again, and we talked.

875
00:38:11.039 --> 00:38:14.099
We talked about this when Bidmead was writing for the doctor in

876
00:38:14.099 --> 00:38:17.340
Frontios, and he just said, stuff that I'm writing, Tom Baker

877
00:38:17.340 --> 00:38:21.059
dialogue, and Pete delivering that just absolutely Sean.

878
00:38:21.119 --> 00:38:25.139
And here you've got smart mouth, Pete. doing what he should always

879
00:38:25.139 --> 00:38:25.679
have done.

880
00:38:25.739 --> 00:38:28.559
I mean, it's still the same acting performance, but he's got such

881
00:38:28.559 --> 00:38:30.000
good dialogue to play.

882
00:38:30.059 --> 00:38:31.320
It is his best performance.

883
00:38:31.380 --> 00:38:32.639
Yeah definitely.

884
00:38:32.699 --> 00:38:37.019
And, you know, he even tries to kind of laugh Perry out of it when

885
00:38:37.019 --> 00:38:40.079
they're prisoners and they're about to be sent before a firing

886
00:38:40.079 --> 00:38:42.000
squad and he's making jokes with her.

887
00:38:42.000 --> 00:38:44.099
Do try and speak English, Paris.

888
00:38:44.159 --> 00:38:44.820
Yeah, yeah.

889
00:38:44.880 --> 00:38:49.739
But it's kind of gentle and when she does say that she's scared, he

890
00:38:49.739 --> 00:38:50.820
doesn't then dismiss it.

891
00:38:50.940 --> 00:38:52.800
He like, oh, okay, I'll stop doing the jokes now.

892
00:38:52.860 --> 00:38:54.840
And Nicola is brilliant in that scene.

893
00:38:54.900 --> 00:38:55.920
She says, like, I don't mind dying.

894
00:38:55.980 --> 00:38:58.619
I, I, I don't want to be shot.

895
00:38:58.679 --> 00:39:00.900
It's just a very subtle thing.

896
00:39:00.960 --> 00:39:04.139
Thing is, when he's then pacing up and down trying to figure it

897
00:39:04.139 --> 00:39:08.760
out, she is also looking around the situation and kind of warns

898
00:39:08.760 --> 00:39:11.820
him that, well, you don't have very long, I think they're about

899
00:39:11.820 --> 00:39:14.340
ready for us, you know, she is incredibly brave.

900
00:39:14.460 --> 00:39:18.239
She gets that funny line too, about when they're discussing the

901
00:39:18.239 --> 00:39:20.760
itching and the blisters and stuff like that, and she says, I

902
00:39:20.760 --> 00:39:24.000
don't suppose we'll die of it in the next hour, which I think is

903
00:39:24.000 --> 00:39:26.639
really pretty terrific.

904
00:39:26.699 --> 00:39:27.599
Yeah.

905
00:39:27.659 --> 00:39:31.559
And we did lose another scene on the last studio day in the

906
00:39:31.559 --> 00:39:36.480
Tartars because this show, this story and then the twin dilemma

907
00:39:36.480 --> 00:39:38.400
was affected by industrial action as well.

908
00:39:38.460 --> 00:39:39.659
The scene shifter strike.

909
00:39:39.719 --> 00:39:43.380
So the last studio session of this was actually the 1st studio

910
00:39:43.380 --> 00:39:46.380
session of the twin dilemma, which we'll be discussing in a couple

911
00:39:46.380 --> 00:39:46.800
of weeks.

912
00:39:46.860 --> 00:39:51.659
Then the last studio day overran and they very wisely said, we've

913
00:39:51.659 --> 00:39:53.760
got to get the regeneration and we'll do that 1st and if we get

914
00:39:53.760 --> 00:39:56.519
time, we'll do the opening scene.

915
00:39:56.579 --> 00:40:01.500
And the opening scene was meant to be explaining why they'd come

916
00:40:01.500 --> 00:40:02.820
to Androsani Minor.

917
00:40:02.880 --> 00:40:04.320
I think you can work it out, right?

918
00:40:04.380 --> 00:40:06.719
I haven't seen the scene, but they came there to get some sand to

919
00:40:06.719 --> 00:40:09.539
get some glass to make a new reticular vector gauge.

920
00:40:09.659 --> 00:40:10.260
That's right.

921
00:40:10.320 --> 00:40:11.099
That's right.

922
00:40:11.159 --> 00:40:14.579
And what the conversation essentially is, is the doctor explains

923
00:40:14.579 --> 00:40:15.059
all that.

924
00:40:15.059 --> 00:40:17.940
And she's, and Perry said, oh, do you have glass making material?

925
00:40:18.000 --> 00:40:22.019
Oh, I learned glass blowing from the monks of Barastoboln 6 and

926
00:40:22.019 --> 00:40:24.059
she says to him, what were you doing in a monastery?

927
00:40:24.119 --> 00:40:28.380
And he says, I haven't known you long enough to tell you that.

928
00:40:28.679 --> 00:40:31.139
Oh, you're such a pain doctor.

929
00:40:31.199 --> 00:40:34.619
And that so when they dropped that scene.

930
00:40:34.679 --> 00:40:38.519
They decided it was too long to just have it in overlay as we get

931
00:40:38.519 --> 00:40:41.039
as we get in the finished product.

932
00:40:41.099 --> 00:40:45.900
So they went back and just redubbed enough information to get

933
00:40:45.900 --> 00:40:48.719
through to the new scene, but it does then give Perry that weird

934
00:40:48.719 --> 00:40:54.179
line of, they wanted, they wanted to get some sand, to blow some

935
00:40:54.179 --> 00:40:56.940
glass, to create a new reticular factor cage.

936
00:40:57.000 --> 00:40:58.920
Yes, your accent does drop there.

937
00:40:58.980 --> 00:40:59.940
I did note that in my notes.

938
00:41:00.059 --> 00:41:02.519
I actually wondered whether there had been something in that scene

939
00:41:02.519 --> 00:41:06.480
about Pete making fun of her for saying glass and so she says

940
00:41:06.480 --> 00:41:06.960
gloss.

941
00:41:07.019 --> 00:41:07.619
You'd think so.

942
00:41:07.619 --> 00:41:09.360
It's a possibility, certainly.

943
00:41:09.420 --> 00:41:10.920
That's a pretty masterful thing.

944
00:41:10.980 --> 00:41:12.059
There's a beautiful glass shot.

945
00:41:12.119 --> 00:41:19.260
A glass shot at the beginning by the artist, Jean-Pierre, who did

946
00:41:19.260 --> 00:41:21.719
glass shots earlier in the season and for Hitchhiker's Guide to

947
00:41:21.719 --> 00:41:22.199
the Galaxy.

948
00:41:22.260 --> 00:41:25.619
The only thing is, because it's film kind of wobbles, but on the

949
00:41:25.619 --> 00:41:26.699
DVD, they fixed that.

950
00:41:26.760 --> 00:41:30.000
So it doesn't wobble and the glass shot is nice and stable, but

951
00:41:30.000 --> 00:41:32.699
you can select that as an additional option, dear listener, for

952
00:41:32.699 --> 00:41:35.340
those of you, for those of you on the...

953
00:41:35.400 --> 00:41:39.179
Yeah, yeah. who want to wobble who want the original spanner in

954
00:41:39.179 --> 00:41:40.019
the pirate planet.

955
00:41:40.079 --> 00:41:40.679
God damn it.

956
00:41:41.820 --> 00:41:45.840
We have 2 cliffhangers that we need to talk about before we leave

957
00:41:45.840 --> 00:41:46.619
this story.

958
00:41:46.619 --> 00:41:49.679
And one of them is the cliffhanger to episode one.

959
00:41:49.739 --> 00:41:52.199
Do any of you, not you, Brendan?

960
00:41:52.260 --> 00:41:54.119
Do any of you remember this as a child?

961
00:41:54.179 --> 00:41:58.440
Yes, and I thought, how, you know, they get shot and, well, well

962
00:41:58.440 --> 00:42:03.119
the guns go off and I actually stood sat there going, How are they

963
00:42:03.119 --> 00:42:03.659
going to get out of this?

964
00:42:03.719 --> 00:42:06.900
Did we had conversations about it at school the next day?

965
00:42:06.960 --> 00:42:10.320
Yeah, well, we've just seen the Diana Reek episode, The Living

966
00:42:10.320 --> 00:42:15.719
Dead, on 1st broadcast after about 15 years, on Australian TV, the

967
00:42:15.719 --> 00:42:18.539
same year, and which was a similar thing, but you hear the guns

968
00:42:18.539 --> 00:42:20.099
going off and there's Emma Peel.

969
00:42:20.159 --> 00:42:22.800
I think the only time we ever see her with a machine gun, killing

970
00:42:22.800 --> 00:42:23.460
12 people.

971
00:42:23.460 --> 00:42:24.900
And she does.

972
00:42:24.960 --> 00:42:26.280
Yeah, and she's really good at it.

973
00:42:26.340 --> 00:42:27.659
Actually, could have a bit more of this.

974
00:42:27.719 --> 00:42:29.940
Um, and saves Patrick McNee.

975
00:42:30.000 --> 00:42:31.320
So it's almost shot for shot.

976
00:42:31.380 --> 00:42:33.239
So, if you'll pardon the pun.

977
00:42:33.300 --> 00:42:38.400
So in this one, um, yeah, it was, it was, it was the topic of

978
00:42:38.400 --> 00:42:39.719
conversation over the sale.

979
00:42:40.619 --> 00:42:43.679
It's done like a magic trick as well, because, you know, they put

980
00:42:43.679 --> 00:42:47.219
the, they pull the cloak down over their faces and the music is

981
00:42:47.219 --> 00:42:48.599
all these, these drum rolls.

982
00:42:48.599 --> 00:42:51.119
Like 2 plum puddings waiting to be immersed, yes.

983
00:42:51.179 --> 00:42:56.219
And it isn't quite a cheat, I think, because you do get that

984
00:42:56.219 --> 00:43:00.780
montage of Sharon's jack. got the 2 of them on the screen.

985
00:43:00.840 --> 00:43:02.579
He sends for 2 androids.

986
00:43:02.639 --> 00:43:04.139
There's things going through pipes.

987
00:43:04.199 --> 00:43:05.400
He's pressing some buttons.

988
00:43:05.460 --> 00:43:11.400
They're curiously affectless when they are about to be executed so

989
00:43:11.400 --> 00:43:12.599
they could be Androids.

990
00:43:12.659 --> 00:43:15.900
So it's he doesn't just pull it out of a hat.

991
00:43:15.960 --> 00:43:20.219
And the way it's resolved is so incredibly well done because we

992
00:43:20.219 --> 00:43:21.179
get the execution.

993
00:43:21.239 --> 00:43:22.559
We see that they're dead.

994
00:43:22.619 --> 00:43:23.820
They get cut down.

995
00:43:23.880 --> 00:43:26.519
We go back to the conversation between Morgas and the president

996
00:43:26.519 --> 00:43:28.679
that was interrupted at the end of episode one.

997
00:43:28.739 --> 00:43:33.059
Uh, and then we see Pete and Perry walking into uh, Sharon's

998
00:43:33.059 --> 00:43:36.480
Jack's headquarters and only then do we find out that they were

999
00:43:36.480 --> 00:43:37.079
Androids.

1000
00:43:37.139 --> 00:43:40.079
I do think that it's hilarious that Sharistjet can just produce

1001
00:43:40.079 --> 00:43:41.699
these androids very, very quickly.

1002
00:43:41.760 --> 00:43:43.079
He's got a great production line.

1003
00:43:43.139 --> 00:43:44.340
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1004
00:43:44.400 --> 00:43:47.400
I think the master and probably Rex Farrell helped him install

1005
00:43:47.400 --> 00:43:47.760
it.

1006
00:43:47.820 --> 00:43:49.679
Well, you want to know something, though.

1007
00:43:49.739 --> 00:43:52.380
Salatine did see them a while ago.

1008
00:43:52.440 --> 00:43:56.219
So salad, Android saladine could have been relaying information

1009
00:43:56.219 --> 00:43:59.699
back, you know, like data and Star Trek can very quickly measure

1010
00:43:59.699 --> 00:44:00.000
things.

1011
00:44:00.059 --> 00:44:02.760
But he has cameras everywhere. you did have a shot of them.

1012
00:44:02.820 --> 00:44:05.400
There's 2 things I love about that cliffhanger so much.

1013
00:44:05.460 --> 00:44:07.559
And one of them is the president's line just before the

1014
00:44:07.559 --> 00:44:10.559
cliffhanger, who he's disgusted by the fact they're getting the

1015
00:44:10.559 --> 00:44:13.619
red shroud for executions because the red shroud was for

1016
00:44:13.619 --> 00:44:14.159
soldiers.

1017
00:44:14.159 --> 00:44:18.300
And Morgus kind, Morgus kind of looks at him like, what does it

1018
00:44:18.300 --> 00:44:18.960
matter?

1019
00:44:19.019 --> 00:44:20.280
Yeah, you are crazy.

1020
00:44:20.699 --> 00:44:24.239
The other thing I love about this cliffhanger is apparently as

1021
00:44:24.239 --> 00:44:25.019
scripted.

1022
00:44:25.679 --> 00:44:29.400
The music was meant to come in before the gun's fired.

1023
00:44:29.460 --> 00:44:31.500
It was meant to be ready, aim.

1024
00:44:31.860 --> 00:44:38.639
But, It was Graham Harper who said, no, let's actually have the

1025
00:44:38.639 --> 00:44:39.840
guns firing.

1026
00:44:39.900 --> 00:44:40.679
Make it even more.

1027
00:44:40.739 --> 00:44:42.960
As you say, Todd, how are they going to get out of this one?

1028
00:44:43.019 --> 00:44:48.179
And I think that is such a great subversion because we expect it

1029
00:44:48.179 --> 00:44:49.860
to be ready aimed.

1030
00:44:49.920 --> 00:44:53.460
We expect it to be the doctor kneeling down with the with the

1031
00:44:53.460 --> 00:44:58.380
miller overhead with the scythe and then someone comes in and says

1032
00:44:58.380 --> 00:44:59.400
stop.

1033
00:44:59.460 --> 00:45:03.179
But no, nobody...

1034
00:45:03.239 --> 00:45:06.239
Yeah, and that's, so maybe that's, you know, Robert Holmes

1035
00:45:06.239 --> 00:45:09.300
subverting again, although, and I'm not saying this to be

1036
00:45:09.300 --> 00:45:09.960
uncharitable.

1037
00:45:10.019 --> 00:45:12.900
I doubt Robert Holmes was watching every week, if at all.

1038
00:45:13.019 --> 00:45:14.639
You know, he probably...

1039
00:45:14.639 --> 00:45:16.679
He hadn't seen Peter Davis.

1040
00:45:16.739 --> 00:45:17.340
He wrote for Tom.

1041
00:45:19.019 --> 00:45:20.280
It works so well though, doesn't it?

1042
00:45:20.340 --> 00:45:22.679
Yeah, which means you can just, as we've said before, you can

1043
00:45:22.679 --> 00:45:24.300
write great lines and any actor can do it.

1044
00:45:24.360 --> 00:45:26.699
You don't write for a doctor, you write for the doctor.

1045
00:45:26.760 --> 00:45:31.920
But I will say that when I saw this at 18, obviously I knew they

1046
00:45:31.920 --> 00:45:34.260
weren't dead at the end of episode one, because I'd seen the

1047
00:45:34.260 --> 00:45:36.659
regeneration, but I didn't know the beats of the story, I didn't

1048
00:45:36.659 --> 00:45:39.300
know how they got out of it, and then the great storytelling trick

1049
00:45:39.300 --> 00:45:42.000
is as soon as they walk into Shara's Jack, you go, of course he

1050
00:45:42.000 --> 00:45:42.659
can make androids.

1051
00:45:42.719 --> 00:45:43.500
Yeah.

1052
00:45:43.559 --> 00:45:47.460
It is that thing where it's not, do they survive that we care

1053
00:45:47.460 --> 00:45:47.699
about?

1054
00:45:47.760 --> 00:45:48.840
It's how do they survive?

1055
00:45:48.900 --> 00:45:53.519
And so having them survive before you say how they survive, I

1056
00:45:53.519 --> 00:45:54.539
think was terribly clever.

1057
00:45:54.659 --> 00:45:55.559
Yes, yes.

1058
00:45:55.619 --> 00:45:57.599
The other cliffhanger?

1059
00:45:57.659 --> 00:46:00.960
Well, the cliffhanger, is it a cliffhanger?

1060
00:46:01.079 --> 00:46:04.139
Let's call it the end of episode four.

1061
00:46:04.199 --> 00:46:05.460
Okay, the regeneration.

1062
00:46:05.519 --> 00:46:05.940
Yeah.

1063
00:46:05.940 --> 00:46:09.719
So Pete's almost upstage by Nicola's cleavage.

1064
00:46:09.780 --> 00:46:12.000
He likes to go on about that story.

1065
00:46:12.059 --> 00:46:15.239
It's the 1st regeneration where there hasn't really been an arc or

1066
00:46:15.239 --> 00:46:19.440
any other over umbrella meaning overwinning meaning to it.

1067
00:46:19.500 --> 00:46:23.039
There isn't a journey, there isn't, you know, the self-discovery

1068
00:46:23.039 --> 00:46:28.199
there isn't, there's, there's, in other, in every other's, Doctor

1069
00:46:28.199 --> 00:46:32.039
Who renewal, if you want to call it, for that, and the confidence

1070
00:46:32.039 --> 00:46:33.780
about to presage that as well, isn't he?

1071
00:46:33.840 --> 00:46:36.119
But there's always been some meaning behind it here.

1072
00:46:36.179 --> 00:46:37.739
It's just another incident to the plot.

1073
00:46:37.800 --> 00:46:41.460
It's meaningless and that's what Holmes is always, that's Holmes's

1074
00:46:41.460 --> 00:46:43.920
really cynical humour is, yeah, this has just happened because

1075
00:46:43.920 --> 00:46:44.820
somebody made a wrong term.

1076
00:46:44.880 --> 00:46:46.559
I think that that's true.

1077
00:46:46.619 --> 00:46:50.280
Like he dies sort of by accident, but he's also found himself in a

1078
00:46:50.280 --> 00:46:52.380
situation where his stuff doesn't work anymore.

1079
00:46:52.440 --> 00:46:54.599
And the thing that reminded me.

1080
00:46:54.599 --> 00:46:57.119
Yeah, being charming doesn't save you in this world.

1081
00:46:57.179 --> 00:47:00.659
I'm the doctor and this is my friend Perry and it has no effect.

1082
00:47:00.719 --> 00:47:02.099
He gets shut down immediately.

1083
00:47:02.159 --> 00:47:05.400
And the thing that reminded me most of is episode one of the war

1084
00:47:05.400 --> 00:47:10.139
games, where the doctor turns up for all we know in World War one

1085
00:47:10.139 --> 00:47:14.519
which is a real historical, a real horrific historical event, and

1086
00:47:14.519 --> 00:47:18.119
he has no power to prevent himself from being executed at the at

1087
00:47:18.119 --> 00:47:19.559
the end of that 1st episode.

1088
00:47:19.619 --> 00:47:21.420
And it seems inevitable.

1089
00:47:21.480 --> 00:47:23.159
He can't do anything, none of his charm.

1090
00:47:23.219 --> 00:47:24.599
None of his usual stuff works.

1091
00:47:24.659 --> 00:47:29.099
And here, all of Pete's usual stuff just completely fails to

1092
00:47:29.099 --> 00:47:29.460
work.

1093
00:47:29.519 --> 00:47:33.960
And this is a story where he hasn't saved anyone. where he hasn't

1094
00:47:33.960 --> 00:47:37.380
changed anything, where he's been powerless to have any effect on

1095
00:47:37.380 --> 00:47:38.519
this situation.

1096
00:47:38.579 --> 00:47:42.900
So it's finally the doctor faces the situation that just kills

1097
00:47:42.900 --> 00:47:43.199
him.

1098
00:47:43.380 --> 00:47:47.639
What I, what I like about that sort of tension, though, is, and

1099
00:47:47.639 --> 00:47:50.699
it's happened a lot to Peter Davidson's doctor, that he's a bit of

1100
00:47:50.699 --> 00:47:53.039
a, he's a bit of a whipping boy of the universe.

1101
00:47:53.099 --> 00:47:55.199
You know, something goes wrong.

1102
00:47:55.260 --> 00:47:57.780
He immediately gets locked up and the plot keeps on happening

1103
00:47:57.780 --> 00:47:58.320
without him.

1104
00:47:58.559 --> 00:48:00.360
Where is here?

1105
00:48:00.599 --> 00:48:03.659
This may be part of your objection, Tom.

1106
00:48:03.659 --> 00:48:05.579
No, I'm not objecting.

1107
00:48:05.639 --> 00:48:06.840
I agree completely.

1108
00:48:06.900 --> 00:48:09.960
It was yeah, a lot of wastage of the principal character, yeah.

1109
00:48:10.019 --> 00:48:12.960
But here, you know, he spends the 1st 3 episodes trying to be

1110
00:48:12.960 --> 00:48:13.320
charming.

1111
00:48:13.380 --> 00:48:14.159
He tries to charm.

1112
00:48:14.219 --> 00:48:17.760
Chelak, he tries to charm Chero's Jack. tries to charm, stots, and

1113
00:48:17.760 --> 00:48:19.079
he tries to charm Morgas.

1114
00:48:19.199 --> 00:48:21.239
Android, he tries to charm that Android.

1115
00:48:21.300 --> 00:48:22.260
Yeah, thing is that works.

1116
00:48:23.400 --> 00:48:27.059
And I love that x-ray thing where his hearts are outside his

1117
00:48:27.059 --> 00:48:27.719
lapels.

1118
00:48:27.840 --> 00:48:33.000
But, um, what seems to happen is after he's tried to charm Morgas

1119
00:48:33.000 --> 00:48:34.019
and that hasn't worked.

1120
00:48:34.079 --> 00:48:36.659
I think he's kind of figured out, you know, he's going up the food

1121
00:48:36.659 --> 00:48:37.380
chain a bit.

1122
00:48:37.440 --> 00:48:41.760
So, you know, a general, then the general's enemy, then the

1123
00:48:41.760 --> 00:48:44.639
general's enemy's enemy, and then the general's enemy's enemy, the

1124
00:48:44.639 --> 00:48:44.940
boss.

1125
00:48:45.000 --> 00:48:49.199
And at that point, he just goes, Okay, you know what?

1126
00:48:49.260 --> 00:48:50.760
It's not working.

1127
00:48:50.820 --> 00:48:51.900
You want me to be mean?

1128
00:48:51.960 --> 00:48:52.980
You want me to be nasty?

1129
00:48:53.039 --> 00:48:54.179
I'm going to steal this ship.

1130
00:48:54.239 --> 00:48:55.079
I going to crash it.

1131
00:48:55.139 --> 00:48:58.079
I'm going to get back to my friend and to hell with a lot of you.

1132
00:48:58.199 --> 00:49:01.980
And he becomes this really powerful character, but he doesn't

1133
00:49:01.980 --> 00:49:02.639
forget his manners.

1134
00:49:02.699 --> 00:49:05.760
Because when Stotts burns through the door to get to him.

1135
00:49:05.880 --> 00:49:07.320
He says, ah, starts in.

1136
00:49:07.380 --> 00:49:08.940
Have you enjoyed your rest?

1137
00:49:09.000 --> 00:49:11.400
You might want to hold on to something, Cos.

1138
00:49:11.519 --> 00:49:13.139
I don't know how to land this thing.

1139
00:49:13.199 --> 00:49:15.239
And that's the thing.

1140
00:49:15.300 --> 00:49:21.599
He, in becoming this more action-driven character who has kind of

1141
00:49:21.599 --> 00:49:24.599
gone, I've given you all the chance. forget all of you.

1142
00:49:24.659 --> 00:49:27.420
He doesn't become like David Tennant ranting and screaming.

1143
00:49:27.480 --> 00:49:31.380
He keeps his calm, he keeps his cool, but he's just like, no, I'm

1144
00:49:31.380 --> 00:49:31.739
done with this.

1145
00:49:31.800 --> 00:49:33.539
I'm going to do the only thing I can do now.

1146
00:49:33.599 --> 00:49:35.519
I've you know, I've tried peace between you.

1147
00:49:35.579 --> 00:49:38.219
I've tried persuading you against violence.

1148
00:49:38.280 --> 00:49:39.059
None of you are listening.

1149
00:49:39.119 --> 00:49:40.559
I'm just gonna save my friend now.

1150
00:49:40.619 --> 00:49:47.159
And I think that is so powerful and that is so central to Pete's

1151
00:49:47.159 --> 00:49:49.980
character, especially seeing as, you know, we've discussed the

1152
00:49:49.980 --> 00:49:52.260
fact that his doctor is so emotionally reserved.

1153
00:49:52.380 --> 00:49:56.519
He's not giving up on his principles, but he's kind of like, these

1154
00:49:56.519 --> 00:49:58.440
people are not interested in my principles.

1155
00:49:58.500 --> 00:50:00.000
So I will use the word.

1156
00:50:00.059 --> 00:50:00.539
Oh, get some more.

1157
00:50:01.380 --> 00:50:06.059
I'm going to use the one principle I have left, which is I'm not

1158
00:50:06.059 --> 00:50:07.500
going to let another one of my friends die.

1159
00:50:07.679 --> 00:50:11.460
It's an amazing final episode, actually, because I think he only

1160
00:50:11.460 --> 00:50:15.119
exchanges a handful of lines with Sharon's Jack and that's it.

1161
00:50:15.179 --> 00:50:17.400
The rest of the time he's running and getting shot at.

1162
00:50:17.400 --> 00:50:18.840
Stay warm.

1163
00:50:19.559 --> 00:50:21.960
And then we get all the floating heads.

1164
00:50:22.260 --> 00:50:24.059
Yes, yes.

1165
00:50:24.119 --> 00:50:27.179
So Janet and Mark are still under contract.

1166
00:50:27.239 --> 00:50:29.159
It is a bit Futurama, isn't it?

1167
00:50:30.119 --> 00:50:34.139
I believe they recorded Gerald Flood's line as comedian.

1168
00:50:34.260 --> 00:50:36.119
Tell speaks the truth, doctor.

1169
00:50:36.179 --> 00:50:39.659
I believe they recorded that at the end of Planet of Fire, so that

1170
00:50:39.659 --> 00:50:40.380
was pre-recorded.

1171
00:50:40.440 --> 00:50:45.300
But they had to issue new contracts for Anton Anley, Matthew

1172
00:50:45.300 --> 00:50:47.159
Waterhouse, and Sarah Sutton.

1173
00:50:47.219 --> 00:50:51.179
And there was some concern, I believe, that I think Matthew

1174
00:50:51.179 --> 00:50:56.340
Woodhouse was overseas during the initial filming. in London.

1175
00:50:56.340 --> 00:51:00.900
That's that is an a notorious production of Hamlet.

1176
00:51:00.960 --> 00:51:01.739
Yeah, about that one?

1177
00:51:01.860 --> 00:51:03.360
He did it in Connecticut as well.

1178
00:51:03.420 --> 00:51:03.659
Yeah.

1179
00:51:03.719 --> 00:51:04.320
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1180
00:51:04.320 --> 00:51:07.380
Was it dinner theatre or...

1181
00:51:07.440 --> 00:51:09.059
Should we put some of the reviews up?

1182
00:51:10.139 --> 00:51:15.480
But when they moved the filming dates, he was suddenly available

1183
00:51:15.480 --> 00:51:19.559
but there was discussion of not having him in there and...

1184
00:51:19.619 --> 00:51:23.159
Well, the rationale was they could get away with it because the

1185
00:51:23.159 --> 00:51:24.000
character was dead.

1186
00:51:24.059 --> 00:51:27.480
But I think it's so much more effective having him come up last.

1187
00:51:27.539 --> 00:51:29.760
It's Pete's last word too, isn't it?

1188
00:51:29.820 --> 00:51:30.239
Yeah, yeah.

1189
00:51:30.300 --> 00:51:37.079
And as rationalised by Eric Saywood in the twin dilemma thing, that

1190
00:51:37.079 --> 00:51:41.039
pushed the doctor on because he never really liked Patrick and he

1191
00:51:41.039 --> 00:51:41.639
felt guilty.

1192
00:51:41.699 --> 00:51:43.260
Thank you, Eric.

1193
00:51:43.320 --> 00:51:45.659
We'll talk more about that normalisation in a couple of weeks.

1194
00:51:45.719 --> 00:51:47.579
It really is a cynical piece of work.

1195
00:51:47.639 --> 00:51:52.019
Well, you know that Saywood was espousing at conventions that he

1196
00:51:52.019 --> 00:51:53.639
wrote a great deal of this script.

1197
00:51:53.699 --> 00:51:55.619
Yeah, well, yeah.

1198
00:51:55.619 --> 00:51:56.820
I mean, he will come.

1199
00:51:56.820 --> 00:51:58.320
He wrote the whole salary piece.

1200
00:51:58.380 --> 00:52:02.880
He will go on to write this script again at the end of the next

1201
00:52:02.880 --> 00:52:03.300
season.

1202
00:52:04.199 --> 00:52:06.000
Not quite so well.

1203
00:52:06.059 --> 00:52:07.679
Also directed by Graham H?

1204
00:52:07.739 --> 00:52:08.460
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1205
00:52:08.519 --> 00:52:10.260
And so the generation happens.

1206
00:52:10.320 --> 00:52:12.719
I think the regeneration's pretty amazing.

1207
00:52:12.780 --> 00:52:16.320
There is that there's that thing where the light pulls in life

1208
00:52:16.320 --> 00:52:16.500
yeah.

1209
00:52:16.559 --> 00:52:18.539
He's definitely lying down as Pete.

1210
00:52:18.599 --> 00:52:22.199
He suddenly sits up in his column and instead of the rollback and

1211
00:52:22.199 --> 00:52:25.139
mix thing that we used to get, and he's just, boom, suddenly he

1212
00:52:25.139 --> 00:52:28.079
sits up in his column. with his flies open.

1213
00:52:28.139 --> 00:52:29.219
You know that story?

1214
00:52:29.460 --> 00:52:33.059
That was Pete's spare costume, but Colin couldn't get the flies

1215
00:52:33.059 --> 00:52:33.360
up.

1216
00:52:33.480 --> 00:52:38.519
So because he's big boy, even back then, and he famously mooned

1217
00:52:38.519 --> 00:52:40.019
Sandra Dickinson on St.

1218
00:52:40.019 --> 00:52:43.739
Peter's then wife, and got a rousing murmured cheer from the rest

1219
00:52:43.739 --> 00:52:47.400
of the production staff who had apparently been completely

1220
00:52:47.400 --> 00:52:50.940
ostracised by Sandra over the last 3 seasons, which was not the

1221
00:52:50.940 --> 00:52:51.960
easiest of guests.

1222
00:52:52.019 --> 00:52:55.139
No, you can go to Pete's autobiography for more of that.

1223
00:52:55.199 --> 00:52:55.860
Yeah.

1224
00:52:55.860 --> 00:52:59.820
The funny thing is that costume, which, as Colin, quite frankly

1225
00:52:59.820 --> 00:53:01.199
says, was...

1226
00:53:01.260 --> 00:53:04.619
Well, also split up the back, there was a V cut out of the back of

1227
00:53:04.619 --> 00:53:05.039
the pants.

1228
00:53:05.099 --> 00:53:07.980
Peter then had to wear that costume to do time crash.

1229
00:53:09.179 --> 00:53:12.239
Well, you know, it was still around.

1230
00:53:12.300 --> 00:53:13.079
It was still around.

1231
00:53:13.139 --> 00:53:15.360
Ian Levine hadn't been doing it as a party.

1232
00:53:15.420 --> 00:53:17.039
Was that the Doctor Who experience?

1233
00:53:18.000 --> 00:53:23.519
Graham Harper has said about the regeneration effect that he got

1234
00:53:23.519 --> 00:53:25.440
it to about 90% of where he wanted it to be.

1235
00:53:25.500 --> 00:53:27.599
And he says that on the commentary and Peter and Nicola are just

1236
00:53:27.599 --> 00:53:28.139
saying, what?

1237
00:53:28.199 --> 00:53:29.159
But it looks great.

1238
00:53:29.219 --> 00:53:30.960
He's like, no, no, no, no, no.

1239
00:53:31.019 --> 00:53:33.300
You know, you never have enough time to do exactly what you want.

1240
00:53:33.360 --> 00:53:36.840
But I got it about 90% there, which says a lot about the man.

1241
00:53:36.900 --> 00:53:39.420
But yeah, of course, a day in the life.

1242
00:53:39.480 --> 00:53:43.500
The note at the end of the Beatles day in life was the influence

1243
00:53:43.500 --> 00:53:48.119
for that sort of chord that plays as we're going into the howl

1244
00:53:48.119 --> 00:53:52.800
round kind of effect. 1st time we've seen how around since 1973.

1245
00:53:53.039 --> 00:53:57.300
And then, yeah, you get that explosion and Colin sits up and

1246
00:53:57.300 --> 00:53:57.960
yeah.

1247
00:53:58.019 --> 00:54:01.139
And he gets to say some lines by Bob Holmes, which is kind of

1248
00:54:01.139 --> 00:54:01.320
nice.

1249
00:54:01.380 --> 00:54:02.639
He'll do that again.

1250
00:54:02.699 --> 00:54:04.019
Is it Bob or is it?

1251
00:54:04.199 --> 00:54:09.599
We wish it was neat. in about, you know, forced through time.

1252
00:54:10.980 --> 00:54:13.860
I, I, I really like that bit.

1253
00:54:13.920 --> 00:54:15.659
That's 3 eyes in one breath.

1254
00:54:16.860 --> 00:54:19.619
Well, I do, I was quoting.

1255
00:54:19.679 --> 00:54:23.639
I really like that bit where, for the 1st time after a

1256
00:54:23.639 --> 00:54:28.559
regeneration, a doctor is actually really self-assured, it's not

1257
00:54:28.559 --> 00:54:31.679
it's not like he just kind of sits up and looks around dazed like

1258
00:54:31.679 --> 00:54:32.460
Davidson did.

1259
00:54:32.519 --> 00:54:36.840
It's not like he's unconscious like John or Tom were, and it's not

1260
00:54:36.840 --> 00:54:40.980
like he can't focus on his surroundings like Pat was.

1261
00:54:41.039 --> 00:54:43.260
He just sits up and straight away.

1262
00:54:43.320 --> 00:54:44.400
He like, yes, it's me.

1263
00:54:44.460 --> 00:54:44.820
Hello.

1264
00:54:44.880 --> 00:54:48.119
It's just very quiet and very self-assured, and I wish they'd

1265
00:54:48.119 --> 00:54:51.119
continued that quietness, self-assured.

1266
00:54:51.179 --> 00:54:52.860
I'm glad he lost the eyeliner, though.

1267
00:54:52.920 --> 00:54:54.900
There was a hell of a lot of eyeliner in that shot.

1268
00:54:55.019 --> 00:54:57.239
Oh, there's still a hell of a lot of eyeliner in 2 weeks.

1269
00:54:57.300 --> 00:54:58.139
Oh, is there, guys?

1270
00:54:58.199 --> 00:55:02.099
It's very much the Shatner approach to main character acting, isn't

1271
00:55:02.099 --> 00:55:02.219
it?

1272
00:55:02.280 --> 00:55:03.659
I like the more of that.

1273
00:55:03.719 --> 00:55:06.900
I like the confidence in that in that moment, in that performance

1274
00:55:06.900 --> 00:55:07.679
but I'll talk more about that.

1275
00:55:07.739 --> 00:55:09.900
He does Fluffy's line though, doesn't he?

1276
00:55:09.960 --> 00:55:10.500
That final line?

1277
00:55:10.559 --> 00:55:11.219
Does he?

1278
00:55:11.280 --> 00:55:15.119
Well, he's supposed to say, and it seems not a moment too soon, but

1279
00:55:15.119 --> 00:55:18.000
he appears to say, and it seems on a moment too soon.

1280
00:55:18.059 --> 00:55:20.099
Oh, I always heard it as not.

1281
00:55:20.159 --> 00:55:20.940
It's always not.

1282
00:55:21.000 --> 00:55:22.619
Yeah, have another listen.

1283
00:55:22.679 --> 00:55:24.539
No, it's definitely not.

1284
00:55:24.599 --> 00:55:29.760
No, I've heard him say things about his dissatisfaction with his

1285
00:55:29.760 --> 00:55:34.380
delivery of that line before he's so farewell to Pete.

1286
00:55:34.380 --> 00:55:36.480
Todd, do you had Peter the convention?

1287
00:55:36.539 --> 00:55:37.860
I know you had Nicola at a convention.

1288
00:55:37.920 --> 00:55:38.639
No, never.

1289
00:55:38.639 --> 00:55:41.099
You definitely had Nicola, so to speak.

1290
00:55:41.159 --> 00:55:45.239
And did she talk to you about this 1st story and her expectations

1291
00:55:45.239 --> 00:55:48.960
for the role that perhaps didn't quite come to fruition?

1292
00:55:49.019 --> 00:55:50.340
You know how she she said to you?

1293
00:55:50.400 --> 00:55:53.219
She said to us all that she'd written a backstory for the

1294
00:55:53.219 --> 00:55:53.639
character.

1295
00:55:53.760 --> 00:55:55.679
Of Perry.

1296
00:55:55.739 --> 00:55:59.219
She'd sat down like a proper little actress starting out in a

1297
00:55:59.219 --> 00:56:03.900
career and that Howard and, and the doctor, you know, she saw his

1298
00:56:03.900 --> 00:56:06.960
very much, or her original father, she saw his very similar and

1299
00:56:06.960 --> 00:56:09.659
but, but Howard was, of course, more like the master and was cast

1300
00:56:09.659 --> 00:56:11.760
as a, written as a much older character.

1301
00:56:11.820 --> 00:56:15.119
But, now, Perry had a full, Nicola had written a full back story

1302
00:56:15.119 --> 00:56:18.539
for her character, which never got to happen because it was, it

1303
00:56:18.539 --> 00:56:20.880
was going to, she was, she'd talked to Pete about how they would

1304
00:56:20.880 --> 00:56:25.320
both express this as a role and Peter went, actually, I'm going.

1305
00:56:25.380 --> 00:56:25.980
Put them off.

1306
00:56:26.039 --> 00:56:30.000
The only thing that bobs into my mind is that, you know, she's

1307
00:56:30.000 --> 00:56:33.840
talked about, the fact that Pete spent the entire production

1308
00:56:33.840 --> 00:56:37.199
whining her up over the fact that this Colin Baker person was

1309
00:56:37.199 --> 00:56:43.260
coming in and just winding her up as to how bad it was all going

1310
00:56:43.260 --> 00:56:43.860
to be.

1311
00:56:44.039 --> 00:56:48.420
And that's why they, it takes them the next story to really work

1312
00:56:48.420 --> 00:56:52.500
out not only onscreen, but behind the scenes to get into a proper

1313
00:56:52.500 --> 00:56:56.880
working relationship because of this sort of this thing that's

1314
00:56:56.880 --> 00:56:57.840
been built up into her mind.

1315
00:56:57.900 --> 00:56:59.039
Very naughty.

1316
00:56:59.159 --> 00:57:01.860
Todd, before we go, because I think this is going to be important

1317
00:57:01.860 --> 00:57:03.719
in 2 weeks time with the twin dilemma as well.

1318
00:57:03.780 --> 00:57:06.179
What did the audience think of this story?

1319
00:57:06.239 --> 00:57:10.079
It's no better or no worse than the rest of the season?

1320
00:57:10.139 --> 00:57:13.260
It picks up a cool 1000000 for the last 2 episodes?

1321
00:57:13.320 --> 00:57:13.920
It does.

1322
00:57:13.980 --> 00:57:14.280
It does.

1323
00:57:14.340 --> 00:57:15.659
6.9, 6.6?

1324
00:57:15.719 --> 00:57:18.659
And then the last 2 episodes in that week is 7.8.

1325
00:57:18.840 --> 00:57:21.000
So it does jump because it's the end of the doctor.

1326
00:57:21.059 --> 00:57:24.840
Yeah, and it places those 2 episodes play 62nd. you know?

1327
00:57:24.900 --> 00:57:26.880
The previous week was 66, 75.

1328
00:57:27.059 --> 00:57:29.579
So, you know, it's one of the higher rated ones of the year.

1329
00:57:29.639 --> 00:57:33.780
So Peter over the last 3 years has really sort of hovered around

1330
00:57:33.780 --> 00:57:35.159
the seven, 8000000 mark.

1331
00:57:35.219 --> 00:57:36.840
You know, he hasn't lost that many.

1332
00:57:36.900 --> 00:57:42.599
Well, I mean, I think looking at it probably 6.5 to about 7.5 is

1333
00:57:42.599 --> 00:57:45.119
where most of his stock sits after that 1st season.

1334
00:57:45.179 --> 00:57:48.360
Do we think that the Monday Tuesday thing was a mistake?

1335
00:57:48.719 --> 00:57:53.460
Well, I mean, it's been juggled around like 2 nights a week for

1336
00:57:53.460 --> 00:57:54.179
the last 3 years.

1337
00:57:54.300 --> 00:57:55.679
It was, you know?

1338
00:57:55.739 --> 00:57:57.480
and so they're going to change that for next year.

1339
00:57:57.539 --> 00:58:02.219
Um, because they felt that it needed to be on at a set time rather

1340
00:58:02.219 --> 00:58:03.119
than, you know.

1341
00:58:03.179 --> 00:58:06.599
So decisions have been made behind the scenes, but I might talk

1342
00:58:06.599 --> 00:58:11.219
about that more next week and next season because there's going to

1343
00:58:11.219 --> 00:58:13.619
be, you know, they've made a lot of decisions over the last few

1344
00:58:13.619 --> 00:58:16.679
years that have worked out for the positive of the show, just by

1345
00:58:16.679 --> 00:58:19.920
happy accidents, things have happened, but now decisions are going

1346
00:58:19.920 --> 00:58:22.199
to be made and it's going to have, it's going to go the opposite

1347
00:58:22.199 --> 00:58:22.380
way.

1348
00:58:40.920 --> 00:58:46.139
Dear listeners, we bid a fond farewell now, too, Peter Davison, but

1349
00:58:46.139 --> 00:58:49.739
do come back next week for our retrospective looking at his entire

1350
00:58:49.739 --> 00:58:50.340
era.

1351
00:58:50.400 --> 00:58:54.059
Over on Bondfinger, we will be shortly releasing view to a kill

1352
00:58:54.059 --> 00:58:57.179
finishing off the Roger Moore era as we finish off Peter

1353
00:58:57.179 --> 00:58:57.719
Davidson.

1354
00:58:57.780 --> 00:59:00.539
You can find that at bondfinger.com, Bondfinger on Facebook and

1355
00:59:00.539 --> 00:59:02.340
iTunes and Bondfinger cast on Twitter.

1356
00:59:02.400 --> 00:59:04.800
We cover him in sticky stuff when he gets a rash.

1357
00:59:05.519 --> 00:59:09.599
Don't forget to check out flights through entirety.sexy, flight

1358
00:59:09.599 --> 00:59:13.019
through entirety on Facebook and iTunes and at FTE podcast on

1359
00:59:13.019 --> 00:59:13.380
Twitter.

1360
00:59:13.440 --> 00:59:18.179
And Nathan has recently regenerated the Randomiser.net where you

1361
00:59:18.179 --> 00:59:20.340
can now find an array of options.

1362
00:59:20.400 --> 00:59:23.639
You can get it to randomly pick you a story based on doctor, story

1363
00:59:23.639 --> 00:59:28.260
length, missing episodes, not missing episodes, and if we've

1364
00:59:28.260 --> 00:59:31.260
recorded a flat through entirety podcast, You can even find it

1365
00:59:31.260 --> 00:59:32.820
through going through there.

1366
00:59:32.820 --> 00:59:37.139
Until our Peter Davidson retrospective next week, may none of your

1367
00:59:37.139 --> 00:59:39.119
trampolines be Spectrox nests.

1368
00:59:39.179 --> 00:59:40.380
Thank you very much for listening and good night.

1369
00:59:40.440 --> 00:59:41.159
Good night.

1370
00:59:41.219 --> 00:59:41.880
See you soon.

1371
00:59:49.199 --> 00:59:51.239
It doesn't stop, does he?

1372
00:59:51.480 --> 00:59:54.360
I think there's something in that for all of us.

1373
01:00:00.420 --> 01:00:02.880
That was Flight Through Entirety with Todd Bealby, Nathan

1374
01:00:02.880 --> 01:00:05.519
Bottomley, Brendan Jones, Richardstone, and his Kenneth Williams

1375
01:00:05.519 --> 01:00:07.679
doll. theme arrangement by Cameron Lamb.

1376
01:00:07.739 --> 01:00:11.699
This episode, men manning and being men at each other, was

1377
01:00:11.699 --> 01:00:13.920
recorded on December the 28th, 2016.

1378
01:00:14.099 --> 01:00:16.800
Next episode will be released on January 15th.

1379
01:00:16.860 --> 01:00:19.980
If you'd like to jump in the mud bath with the rest of us, you can

1380
01:00:19.980 --> 01:00:21.539
at least buy some spectrums first.

1381
01:00:25.980 --> 01:00:28.260
Hairy books are sexy.

1382
01:00:28.380 --> 01:00:31.980
Yeah, well, the thing is, I've had to stop waxing.

1383
01:00:32.039 --> 01:00:35.039
The last time I last time I waxed it, I've had about 50 ingrown

1384
01:00:35.039 --> 01:00:37.679
hands and I just look like I've got measles now.

1385
01:00:37.739 --> 01:00:39.539
No, don't work, sir.

1386
01:00:39.659 --> 01:00:43.260
As long as you don't engage the zipper while you're doing it, we

1387
01:00:43.260 --> 01:00:44.820
assume that you actually have a zipper.

1388
01:00:44.880 --> 01:00:45.840
Are we actually recording at the moment?

1389
01:00:45.900 --> 01:00:46.619
Yes.

1390
01:00:47.760 --> 01:00:50.340
This is where we get our tag scene.