The London Commentary Quartet

Hello, dear listeners, and welcome back to Flight Through Entirety the only Doctor Who commentary podcast who's fondling the piranium as we speak. I'm Brendan. I'm Nathan I'm Below's BFF. I'm an elongated saxophony ructation for this episode. Hello, everyone. We are finally presenting for you our commentary for Death to the Daleks. So we have our Death to the Daleks DVD in there, and a fun little thing that's been edited out of every time I've announced that we're doing a Death to the Daleks commentary. Of course, the boys will be able to tell you, I keep calling it Day of the Daleks, which I then edit out, and I wasn't going to mention that here, but before you all came round, I pulled out the day of the Daleks DVD 1st and almost put it in. No, but all... I then debated, are we watching the original version or the version with new special effects and almost put it in before I thought, no, we're doing death to the Daleks. And then when I went to get my Doctor Who, the complete history book, I'm like, do I have Day of the Daleks yet? Oh, yes, I do. Oh, wait, no, we're doing death to the Daleks. So I got it wrong. I don't know whether it was just you or whether we were doing a mind meld because I thought it was Day of the Darks this morning too. I really did. And I was quite thrilled about getting up, you know, in you in a mini skirt on one of those big balloon tied 3 wheelers. Maybe that's it. Maybe I just wanted to be in my Joe outfit again, which I'm wearing right now. Okay, we do we do have our DVD ready to go. It's wearing that really stupid bathing outfit, massive beach ball. It's not hiding your shame at all. Go on. And as you have come to expect from us. I'm about to give you a code word, and this is the word with which use to press play. And that word is root. So the next time I say that word. Anthony. So the next time I say that word, I would like you to press, play on your play all button. Are you ready, dear listener? Root. And we are... It is an instruction. Hooray, my favourite title suit. Mine too. adore this. The knives coming out and... The knives. What is in your head? They make me think of knives. And the sort of wind across pert we space. He wasn't getting any younger. No, that's right. And this is famously, apparently, the story where he said to Barry nah, I'm out. Oh, we have to spot the moment where he makes that decision. Really, it's actually got, as we're about to discover. How about that for atmosphere? This, of course, is was not on the version broadcast in the ABC in the 1980s. No. No, I didn't see... I didn't see this until I borrowed it on video from the library who it is. It's Terry Walsh. Hooray. And he's not... It wasn't in our 70s version either, was it, gentlemen? I don't remember where it is. I don't think we got to see beating up Terry Walsh again. No. So yeah, it got this. And I remember the 1st time I saw that scene was when I borrowed it from the library and even then it was the omnibus edition. So it had bright magenta titles. I mean, Death to the Daleks in bright magenta. That outfit is horrendous. Which one? Sarah's. Why? Chrissy from Man About that. I was actually just going to say. Is this her 1st time in the Tardis that we see her in? Yeah. This is also, that is a man about a house, I should say, delicious is what I'm watching each morning before I go to work right now and yeah, he is. It's a favourite. Oh, you know, that was the Dolly Bird book look. She's adorable. Look at her, dear little thing. But it is a bit mad about the house Felicity Kendall, kind of. It's 70s. Yeah, hello. 974. That is top 0 the look. It's 1980. The whole concept. And it's lovely to see that. Yes, it is a... on the console. This is actually the only time this season we see the interior of the TARDIS. I thought so. And after this story, we wouldn't see the interior of the TARDIS again until Planet of Evil. Wow. That's not a bad thing. No, I like it. I agree. I mean, you know, next year we're without the TARDIS for 2.5 stories. But this one, if we can get back to this story, is beautiful because I remember this as a little, little boy and the atmospheric quality of it and the impending doomness, really really is a strong memory for children. It's a powerful thing to be watching. I love this 1st episode Well, I've said before on the podcast. This is the 1st episode of I ever saw in 1978. This is what bound you. Yeah, yeah. It's a fateful moment. I love this stuff in the TARDIS. like just the lighting and everything. And again, if we can reference Edwardian fiction within Doctor Who trope, as we do. This is all already H Rider, how guide is there descending into the, to the darknesses of the, of the great, and we'll find out more of that as we go on. This is very planet of the Daleks. One of the things, of course, is that it's better. Well, it is better because Terry has now written this script about 5 times and he's really polished it into a sort of, you know, a piece of art. Yes, a piece of jabberlite sculpture. And also, this is the 1st script that Robert Holmes had a big hand in editing. Terrence Dix was still around, but Robert Holmes was trailing him at this time and Robert Holmes actually came up with the title. The original title was the Excellons. Oh, derived from the word elixir, because in the original script the city was reliant on an elixir that the excellons made and Robert Holmes. Robert Holmes said, yeah, Terry, I see what you did there. It's not as clever as you think it is. Let's call the story depth to the Daleks and asked years later. Why is it called Diff to Darks? Because I hate them. I would have liked it to be called the excellence. It would have been a surprise that the Daleks were going to turn up. It is nice when it's a surprise. Yes. And then, of course, you know, 40 years later, we would have had Tom Baker and Louise Jameson in the big finish audio Death to the Daleks because the big finish, big finish have done a prequel to this. Cool, big. But she's quite gripping. Well, it's got it's got Louise. got Louise Jameson in it. You know, you put Tom Baker and Louise Jameson together. They could read the phone book. But we're not putting Tom Baker and Louise Jameson together because we've got John Pertwin and Elizabeth Sladen being charming with an oil lamp. Hooray for old-fashioned oil, she said, seductively. Wasn't there an oil crisis going on at the time? Yes, there was. Will spotted? Thank you. I was going to say this is a lovely little hand in glovingness that Doctor Who was doing at the time. Yes, they're referencing the enormous power outages that are going on through the UK. Oh, I do love it when Terry Nation is the... Let's get the manual crank to open up the TARDIS door. It's beautiful, isn't it? It's like starting... Chitty bang, bang. You get that there's a very early piece of steam punkiness right there. He does think it's a mechanical device, though. It does. Isn't that lovely though, poetry? You know, you can block the vents by just spewing a bit of fungus on them. No one can breathe inside. And now we're in studio. We are terrible studios. It's not a terrible one. I think there's some really good direction actually in this in this particular episode. I had a feeling this was shown. At this, at the time of year, it was shown in when we were young it was winter, so we got to watch this in the dark. UK list, the UK listener would say, well, doctor is always on in the dark, but for, you know, for our summers, it's probably like yours. It was. Yeah, seeing this in a dark, you know, dark house and cold rooms. Well, I think it was, I think it was June or July when I 1st watched. Yeah, that's right. No, I joke Dan from Sarah. What did she say? I'm close to becoming petrified myself about the petrified rock. That's why I love that in Doctor Who. Did he look down at look down at her little bib when she said it? Because he would. He's being well behaved. After what happened with April Walker, he's certainly on his... He is actually on good behaviour for a good reason, isn't he? Yes, that's right. Ingabol confiscated them. Yes, she put them on her and she shrunk them down and put them on her tiny chessboard and emitted foul blasts. So Sarah's still got her page boy haircut. She does have a lovely 70s pretty-esque haircut, actually. It is, isn't it? Lovely little. Turned in bob. She's so young. She's so impossibly young. She was a grown-up when I 1st watched this. Yeah, yeah. I know isn't it ridiculous? And I love her muted hysteria. I like the levels Todson once that she can deliver 2 or 3 emotions at once and that's probably what made her stand out to the casual viewer. Really she really grabs your attention. as she's grabbing pertly's right now, even though she's shaky hand on that flame. But Joe creates that sort of single female companion role and does it so well is so charming and so essential to the program. I never felt Joe was actually in peril, but I really believe Sarah's right up against you. Well, I think she ups it by just being a bit better. Yeah. Oh, bless. Look at him. He does the best B Arthur you could possibly imagine that lovely erect poise. It's probably the last time he really properly acts and then he has 12 episodes left to sort of walk through contract. That's a bit slack, but, you know, he's made a decision to leave so you know what I mean. No, no, I think you're absolutely right. This isn't as gorgeous. I just love the way it transitions. And I, as a kid, I just accepted the fact that around the TARDIS it was like studio and then you go out to, ooh, here they come. Watch out. Curry Blyton score. But back to Sarah. I love the fact that that hideous... Because Eileen Wayne, not a lot of people know that. Can be then used in this little cute brown number, which I really like with the little I actually really like this number on her. Even the shot of looking over the roof of the Tartars felt fresh at the time. We didn't usually get high. I was freaked out as a kid by all this in the darkness, you know and what's really there. I think it is scary, I think. Well, we haven't seen a lot of Doctor Who shot is at this pitch, at this, you get day for night shooting, but we haven't actually seen the screen this dark for a very long time. Did you avoid it? Yeah. Brandon, did you find this scary as a kid? I really did. And it wasn't helped by the fact that my copy of this as a kid is missing the last 10 minutes. So you never know what happened. I didn't until my local library got a copy of the late 80s omnibus edition on video. And his mother spilt a nail polish remover over his boogie board. I had a boogie board. I love this planet shot, like all of this... Isn't that beautiful? And that's the one we remember. How did they do all that stuff with the mist and stuff? It's wonderful. I just think they scatter dry ice around. Yeah, I believe it is dry ice rather than rather than a smoke machine. And Liz Slaton's genuine complaints. It was miserable. golden she horrible. So it's not acting. She said, oh, isn't that great too? Blooding Doctor Who. It's such a terry trope though, isn't it? Yeah, but it's her that's making this work. Each time I watch this. That's why I loved her so much. No, that is fantastic. This is gorgeous. So, listen, she's just running through the rocks now with all the farty mist behind her. Yeah, in silhouette, in silhouette. Yeah, just beautifully lit. It does feel a bit like survivors, doesn't it? In isolation. Well, out on location. Yeah, yeah. This in here is truly... This is the 1st time that the interior of the TARDIS, actually since Susan and her and the pinking shears of Dune, that the inside of the TARDIS is not the point of safety. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's always been our refuge in a story. And again, that was Terry Nation. What kind of the Daleks, wasn't it, a bit? John was on the right of there. just kind of block it out. No, there was no there was no actual physical threat. Oh, in the actual... It was just John couldn't, you know, John couldn't breathe or something. He's doing the pertwee death pose, but there was no, I'm sure monster in there. Only one knee standing. Yes, right. What a great... is just horrendous. Isn't it though? I was freaked out as a kid. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. And the fact that we have no music here. I think it's terrible that Derby Watling's not given credit for this episode. All these came in. It's actually still in the TARDIS to this day. Oh my god, that's what's in the vault. I think he was Sylvester's phonetics coach, wasn't it? More of that later. Look, she's just so painful. Oh, it's great. Oh, doesn't this actually nicely dovetail, Eldred Must leaves... I just think, you know, she's locked herself in. Oh, yeah, and his point of view stuff. really disturbing. Like, it's actually pretty violent. I'm surprised that got. You're right, Richard. I'm surprised it got through here in Australia. Like, you know, and then running away again. Oh my goodness. Nowhere is safe Doctor Who hasn't actually gone for straight horror for a long time, I think, at this point. It was always a big cuddly, wasn't it? We like taking the phlegmatics out of Mr. Nation. Like, we like to empty his spleen, but really, he provides a corker, doesn't he, each time? But the fact that Robert Holmes has had input into this, this is pops the 1st bit of flavour of his what is to come, really. Yeah, I mean, that's the thing. If you look at the difference... Take that with my Felix Lighter. Oh, here we go. Come on, do the hand pose. Do the sort of so fabulous. He's going to try and hypnotise the bastard. But Pearl, we actually, I love it when the 3rd doctor looked, I shouldn't say, per we all, though, same person, really. In fact, they're not distinguishable at all. But I love it when he really does look like he's in peril because you do believe it. I think I miss this doctor. Oh yes. Oh, yes. Well, that's the thing. We all got to the end of the pert where you're at with more of an appreciation than when we started and all of us had differing levels of appreciation going in, Nathan. No, no, I ended up quite liking him. I thought he was obnoxious in season seven, but when Joe comes along and humanises him. He's great. He's doing a better job in this season than I remember him doing. I mean, I'd always said he'd retired from acting in his final season. Yeah, I had the same opinion, but then I saw 3 distinct sort of the 1st 18 months and the next 18 months and the final 2 years and now the character, how the character changed from that really harsh, humanised, and then the Arthur the last 2 years. Oh, anyway, what's Sarah looking at? Ah, I love this. Everybody loves white Lego. How could you not? And the sound. The sound is so good. The curry... Now, who was doing foley sounds? Because Kari Blyton, who did the beautiful school? I believe it's Dick Mills is doing... because it's a gorgeous sonorous moan. But the CSO is not too bad here either. Well, what helps there is the fact that, you know, how's that for an establishing shop? This is like John Carter of Mars stuff. This is like the Boris paintings on the covers, the SF books of the 70s, which is probably where a lot of this Oh, isn't that lovely bit of camo too. A bit of the rock just crawled away. Look, I really think Eileen Way should have been in more Star Wars esque, isn't it? Isn't it, though? I'm thinking the planet Uxarius, actually. It is a different location, but yes, it's not far, though, from the locations for Destiny of the Daleks and the case of Andrazani. They were part of the same quarry network, if you like. But yeah, the CSO shots of the city, I think, are so good because the model is shot on video. So you have a matching look, and quite often during the pert we era, you know, the CSO shots, the models will be shot on film, the live action elements on video, and so there's a very jarring thing. And it wobbles. and it wobbles. Yeah. Wibble, just like that. That's a very terry nation thing, isn't it? The trip wire. Although it also features excitingly in time and the Rani as we're about to discover soon, aren't we, all have we already discovered? No, we're about to discuss. That's discovered. Ah, Jeez. He really is. It's like, I feel as if I'm in the middle of a Dave Allen sketch though. Somehow... That's fantastic. That's exactly what the boulders and Breath of the Wild look like as well. It's also puree rider, haguard, yeah. It's not a bad boulder. That's bolder. And now I'd do that bolder. Hello? Oh, he looks like he's had a big night. Oh, it's not even John. Oh, that was so obvious. stab Terry Walsh in the face. And now the man who can't stop looking at the camera. Oh, no, it's the other ones. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, who did he play? I love John Adams. he in General Carrington? Of course. And and Rangquin of the Swampies. Oh, my goodness. He looks lovely, but a bit... What about the other guy? Was he in dog 2 before? No, I don't think so. But John Abeniri has also... Yeah, yeah. And this guy's on the commentary, Todd, so you should listen to him. He might explain why he looks at the camera. But yeah, John Abeneri is also famous to genre fans as Arnold Rimmer's dad in the Red Dwarf episode back to reality. Yes, bit of bad fringing there. Yeah. It's all right, Peter. Look at the direction with the rock out of focus in the fork. I love her. I actually quite like their outfits too. Michael Lee Bryant does depth of field very well. He'll be back for amongst other stories, Robots of Death. Here she is, Jill Tarrant. Wouldn't be a Doctor Who story... How can you say she's dreadful? She's lovely. Is that a woman? I want to, sorry. She's a space woman. Yes, space woman. I want to place her. the blue eye shadow? Oh, these drones and knives are there of some sort of problem. We're dirty fighters we fighters. We fight we, he said. They're all a bit surly and countenanced, aren't they? She's lovely. She put up that DIY home stores shared all by herself. Fabulous tertiary children. You know they left her to do the washing up as well. Yeah, I do like that they specify she's a civilian and that's why her uniforms are different colour. And lower cut. has cups built in. I just like that they look like they all really like a drink. These are heavy going space persons. MSC? Galloway certainly does, doesn't he? Doesn't he, though? Ooh, hello. Giant nose. And they're like M. They're all wearing Federation emblems. Golly gosh, they are too. So I think that must have been specified in Terry's script that it was a sideways chevron on a circle, and of course, 4 years later he's just gone. Oh, a sideways chevron in a circle. a wonderful idea. I haven't used that before. He, uh, it has been remarked before that uh, this is an expedition of middle class white people. Galloway who... He has a slightly working class accent, so he's the bad guy. It's like, it's the racial politics of survivors, essentially transplanted to deep space. Oh, sacrificed. Oh, and there's a plague, a space plague, of course. So we need to get some space medicine. So it is another one of his obsession. Is there radiation on this planet, though? No, there isn't. Do you think when the TARDIS scans the environment, it also chooses the doctor's outfit because his piping matches beautifully all the edging in their little space tent? This is my favourite John outfit. If I ever, if I ever cosplay as John, this is the outfit I want to represent. It's a nice... Yeah, yeah. Yeah. And we don't get crossfades often in... Oh, I love that. gorgeous. And, you know, for once, making this sort of tiny part of the whole visually it matches and you believe she's actually at the base of this massive building. Do you? I do. I believe I'm believing as a nine-year-old boy. I love that outfit. I like this, you still got stuff on a bum. glows there. wailing. It's front axial projection, which is the way that they make the... The stuff on her bum. Whether they make the nemesis statue. It is, yes. It's a real practical effect. But it has to have a Liz Sladen as strontium 90 to set it off. She sells it. I mean, that's the thing. She really does. That's something people actually don't know. It's not Fiona Walker in the nemesis statue. It's Liz Slaton. Really? I thought it was Deborah Whatley. It's usually Debbie Waddling or and or Eileen. I can't I can't edit out. That Deborah Watling joke, top. That one has to stay in as opposed to the ones you make all the rest. never do that. I never, ever do that. I love you. It reminds me of when the crinoid. Remember the crinoid at the end. Love the wibbly. Yeah, wibbly wobbly crinoid. a puppy at home, dear listener, that does exactly the same thing. That food looks so unhappy. I think we should we're all going to go to IKEA for lunch after this. Wait, wait. What was it? perenium. Yes. It's a it's a vital part of a balanced diet is uranium. It's actually priceless. Jill's just fucking the food in, isn't she? She's not even bothering. A bit of Deb, some hot water. Yeah, well, I mean, the problem is sometimes your pranium is tainted. Or there's sand in it. There's some... Armageddon. Farmageddon, who, um, has a great YouTube channel. He does the 5 doctors recut. He also did the new special effects on the Day of the Dalek special edition. He has a very early piece of his work, which is this scene just dubbed over with farting noises. But he, I believe he's also done that cliffhanger from the Seeds of Doom, but when the crinoid is rushing towards the camera, it just goes, boy, yo, yo, yo, yo. Because it is death by mattress, isn't it? It looks like some sort of ravioli or something. I can't really tell. I just thought it was mash, yeah. They haven't even dyed at green and dotted on Adam Blackwood. I do like John's outfit in this story. It's my absolute favourite. And I've broken my action figure of it. No, it's not. It's actually one of John's own lovely pieces. It's a magnifying glasses. It's an antique monocle on a with a clasp. Just like being afterward. Everyone's looking at a completely different part of the sky. CSO is not great. But that was again part of the buzz. But then there you go. That's good. loved it. Oh, like, literally, John Abeneri's looking over there. Jill's looking over there. Tom falls off the... Don't trust any of those rocks. Has he been in the show before, this dude? groaning? Yes, it's Matt groaning. No idea. Let's have a look. Commander Stewart is played by Neil C. knee hinto. Oh, I love all these excellent and they're googly eyes. Yeah, they look good. And they're chanting. They're fantastic. really, really scary. Okay, but I now realise it's not okre, it's something else, the reason that he's read. And dear listeners, if you're careful, you'll see all 4 of us behind those bars. And I like the fact that I can speak English. But, of course, the TARDIS is translating. No, everyone in the galaxy speaks English except for people who are non-English speakers on earth. Dona Rana. We discovered that. Actually, Todd, your eagle eye is correct. Neil Sealer has appeared previously in Doctor Who. He was in the sea devils as the beardy radio operator, who is who is back at the base with Captain Hart and Corporal Blythe. I found this really scary. Oh, yeah, this is a sacrifice. And again, that's so standard. I think at some point I said that we had to have a moratorium on people being sacrificed to Doctor Who. It was really tiresome. But he just does it so confidently, he puts all of these sort of B movie science fiction tropes together and just creates really fun action, I think. The Daleks invented thermo mixes, you about to say. I think the other thing that really helps... The excellons both look and sound incredibly alien. You can suspend belief for a moment that there's not just a little Welsh bloke under there. And here they come. This is exciting. It's the end of episode one. What do we think is coming out? Three Blind Mice, according to the school. Oh, aren't they pretty too? Now, the thing is, it's quite obvious that John took a shining to Joy Stewart in this moment because immediately he sort of, he clutches her like, like Joe or Sarah. He clutches her what? Yes. Oh I see. He clutches her. He clutches her peranium. See, I just think that would have been so much better if it was called the excellence and we didn't know it was coming. Yeah, yeah. I actually, I actually like the the frisson of anticipation for Daleks appearing at the end of episode one of the Terry Nation Dalek story. They've all been called something of the Daleks except for the chase. Yes. Yeah, so they've all had Daleks at the time. Lovely Michael Wisher. And that episode one reveal is just sort of wonderful. I think it's slightly spoiled by the fact that we hold on the garlic gum not working for quite a while. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't know. It's the London saxophone. They're so wonderful. Led by Kerry Blyton. Mind the fact that the gun is firing because I, as a kid, just thought that was going to fire and we were just getting that point of view shot. So I actually think it's quite, you know. Brian, is that the way you spell his name, Michael? Yeah, yeah, I thought it had a wine. No, it's not like Nicola Bryant or Peter Bryant? Oh, okay. Yeah. P with episode two? Can I just say I love these opening titles? Yeah, still. I didn't know that. You might hear that a few more times. No they are my favourite. It's got a John Pertie shaped tunnel. Yeah, awesome. Steady on. And the Futura Black thing or Futura Extra Bowl. It's very style. Yes, it is. I remember being a bit disappointed when it went away at the start of Mask of Mandraga, which just goes to typographical nerd. I was already at the age of sort of 12. I love the doctor in this bit. He's like, oh, I think we're not dead. Is this the 1st time? Oh, they do look a bit rough, don't they? Do you love the one in the background? There it is. Just standing there. there's no one in it This is actually my this is my favourite classic series Dalek livery. Is it the only time they look like this? It's the only time they're silver and black. They'll become various shades of gray after now. But that does look great. Was this Colin? I think they look much better than the previous 2 times we've seen it. Yeah, yeah. But they still are sort of a bit beaten up, aren't they? Well, apparently, um, new props were made for Planet of the Daleks but Barry was really disappointed with them. So the 3 hero props from this date from the 60s and the other one who you see in the background there with no one in it, and will later have an operator in it, is one from Planet of the Daleks. It was made for that. What wrong with them? Um, I'm not exactly sure. Just, you know, visually, I can't exactly tell. They were just slightly different. I think the drinks dispenser inside wasn't working. and the operators were complaining. I think also the angles were slightly different. So it's a matter of, you know, if you see them in the background you're okay. The Darling dome nearly sort of comes off. They get very heated in there, don't they? Yeah, I think they wouldn't make they wouldn't make any new props again until Resurrection of the Daleks, I believe. Right. Yeah, they're really, really looking seriously beat up by destiny of the Daleks, aren't they? Yeah, yeah. You know what? They could have done a spinoff series with this space plague and the Marine Space Corps, they call themselves and this dynamic character. A lot of space white people catching a disease. Just 12 episodes. That's all we need And then they're all horribly murdered at the end. especially Jill Tarrant. Rogue one. No, Jill's got to live. She's going to be the glamorous, you know. Someone needs to add the boiling water to the instant mash. A thorny weaver character. She's a proto-sagornia. Oh, sacrificer. I love them. Look at their eyes. That is the big red one is Moisten Evans. Moisten? Yeah. Who was Di Evans in the Green Death? Oh, wow. He was green in that one. He's read in this. Yes. Oh, the wee salt shakers. And all of the Dalek voices in this story are done by Michael Wisher. He doing all of them. I actually don't like his Dalek voices that much. I really seriously dislike Roy Skelton. It's terrible. Um, I don't know why we can't have nice things like uh, David Graham and help me out. Peter Hawkins. Peter Hawkins. David Graham still alive. I know he's still going Parker. Yeah, he's playing Parker and Thunderbirds and he's... See? Three of them are talking and then one of them is just standing there asleep. He's on a break. He's just standing. The chemical... The chemical again. And we, it is understorm. What's called terranium? We've had that... Yeah, yeah, yeah. Which was originally viterranium, but they thought that that one extra syllable would be too hard for William Hartnold to pronounce. Yes. But I mean, it's essentially the magic chemical named after Terry Nation himself. Yes. Shadow. It's shadow. Like Sarah Kingdom and Terry Nation. Jill Tarrant. I'm just learning to Jill Tarrant. She doesn't look fabulous. Dell Terrence's mother. Not many people know. But strangely enough, not Dev Terrence, mother. They are actually dressed in the uniforms of the Terahawks, aren't they? Terrahawks. That's the other thing David Graham's still doing. big finish. People spend all their time making nice things and then other people come along and smash them up. It's pretty sad. Oh, they, well, they left on some leak. They left a leak. I think... I thought you could see the tracks in the corner of that shop. You can. That, well, that was that was my Michael Bryant's solution. He's like, oh, you can't really take Daleks across that uneven ground. We'll put some rails down. And it does mean you get some good shots of them going at it fairly. But it's like K 9 when he sort of trundles along and then gets on his rails and goes, yeah, yeah, exactly. Yeah. Go and push him off. They're like cats, aren't they, Daleks? You know they're going to push the other one. Yeah, yeah, it is. and it's a fabulous use of quarry. And standing by himself. I wonder what's going to happen. Although, you know, YouTube have to ask why the hell is he standing by himself? It's a bit of overcasting too, isn't it, having John Abaneri in it for essentially one episode? Oh, I think... Ow, that really hurts. I think, you know, as we've identified before. It's kind of what's now known as the Deep Blue Sea casting. When Samuel Jackson's casted Deep Blue Sea, gives a massive speech about how they're all going to get out and then is eaten by a shark. We've referenced that before and it is great. The AV club this week had when good scenes happened to bad movies and that was like number one. I like the fact that, you know, Jill is concerned. Yes, yeah. There's yeah, there's a bit of humanity there. And they're nice little dugout pit that's just waiting for them in a couple of those shots. And stage hands throwing arrows. No, it's good. I love this. Have you ever done archery, Brandon? Oh, at school camp years ago, years and years and years ago. You good? Um I hit the target. I've never managed that. Uniquely terrible at it. It's quite challenging. They want an autograph. Who's your favourite monster? Thanks for that. Will you read this? the bitch. Yeah, and oh. Okay, and I love how they all react to this and they, you know they actually get angry. They're not just, I mean, they are faceless aliens in a way because they don't have faces. but they're not just cyphers. Yes, Richard? They are kind of, you know, indigenous people. There is a kind of racism to it, obviously. But that's part of the genre. There's an effort to give them character. You enjoying this, Richard? I am. I had a couple of jokes, but you were all going so well. See, that's an interesting shot that we haven't... Oh, I'm losing control. losing control. Running around with an old, um, inner tube of mum's elf foil doing the same thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I used to do that. And yeah, why, why does, why does the Dalek being whacked with some bows to decide, I'm gonna explode. He's had enough his contracts off, but he's looking forward to appearing on the front cover of the novelisation, I think, at this point. true. Well, did you think at the time, well, the excellence, I know, we were all such little proto notes. The excellent city affects all power systems. Daleks may seem to have some kind of psychokinetic system, but a lot of their other systems are based on, we assume, some form of electricity, so they're more prone to injury. You know, that is a good point. I hadn't considered that and that works. You know how children rationalise what they watch because they get a bit too involved. But but also, you know, Terry Nation was dead against the Daleks appearing weak. So I think you're I think you're onto something there. As far as we know, it's only their movement that I love the psychokinetic thing and the Daleks. That needs a whole lot more exploration. Hello, big finish. Or perhaps we can just leave it where it is. Till looks very unimpressed here. It is a bit of a throwaway line just to say why it's only their guns that aren't affected, isn't it? But also the human brain uses electricity. So why are we not all affected? We probably are. That was a plot point in a recent episode I watched of Space 1999. The Bringers of Wonder. Is that the one written by Pip and Jane? No, no. It's a few episodes after that. See, it's not too bad. Yeah I think that's okay. He's really trying to mask having to do that. Yeah, but yeah, again, he's putting stuff in the foreground and in the background. We have not always been fans of Mr. Bryant's work in the past, have we? What else is he responsible for? on. Um, yeah, sea devils, this robots of death. He has done more than that, though. Poor Sarah has been here for a very long time. been harassed by these guys. She has, hasn't she? Off her face by now, though. Well, she's from 1974, 80 slash. So... He's probably used to it. Probably just a normal Saturday night. Yeah, hanging around the pop plants at home, you know, craming her life away. So Michael Bryant does Colony in Space, the Sea Devils, the Green Death. Death to the Daleks, Revenge of the Cyberman, and the Robots of Death. So I'd probably say in their colony in space and revenge of the cybermen are the ones that have great location work, but not so great studio. But the rest are good. You're right about the studio difference. But really, is that is that fair? I think he does a terrific draw. Oh, hello. She is to be sacrificed. Oh, hey, right. Ow. You chopped me in the crotch. I'm an alien. or is it Terry? Terry, isn't it? That'd be terrible. The hair looks convincing. But then again, John's back pain was particularly bad by this point. And he was bored, like anytime he's not facing the camera. Very Walsh, frankly. Again, some handheld stuff or whatever. Yeah, yeah, yeah. There's some good POV work in this. That's good. Yeah. More focus onto Sarah? Yeah, Sarah's taking the vapours. Oh, vaping. They won't let her vape at the mall anymore. She has to go to a whole other space planet. Johnny's lying down with his leg up. Jill's making sure Sarah's okay. We haven't signed Edgar Rice Burrows yet, but when I was thinking of John Carter of Mars, that's the writer I was trying to think of. And of course, the Tarzan stories. Is there a lot of Tarzan in this? Well there's a lot of roots. Let's have another female Sarah can talk to. Yes, oh, there we go. We had a moment. Were the girls talking about boys? Probably. They are there, but later they will be talking about piraniums. I'm still boyish. This is this bit shocked me as a child. The, um, uh, just Galloway's incredible kind of, um, uh, you know pragmatism and his refusal to listen to the captain about how he's unfit to command, but it is very Terry Nation, and it is something that Terry, you know, does all the time. It's very Blake 7, you know, the sort of ruthless character. But just as a 10 year old, you know, I'd never seen people behave like that and was terribly shocked by how amoral. He's seemed to be. I like his arc. I think he does a great job. Oh, yes, yes. I mean, it is, um, Well, you know, I agree with you as a kid, like to see this character sort of just disregard the commander and just, you know, do it for himself, really. Yeah, and it's like his dying wish. It's the commander's dying words and he ignores them. It seems so shocking. But, you know, he has a real pragmatism because he wants to save the completely imaginary offscreen people who are suffering from this terrible disease. And so he's just looking at it from a different moral perspective. And he sacrifices himself? Spoiler alert. to save them all. I like that conversation with Sarah. John just... like the pace of this. The whole thing feels. But I think it's from really this season. Well, last year and this year, the pace is certainly you can watch a lot of these things now quite easily. Except for Monster of Paladon. Oh, I'm Planet of the Daleks. I'm Plan of the Daleks. So the 6 parties are still a trial. But the fore part is very watchable. It's a naturalistic pace. I know it is more contemporary, but... It gives the actors time. I love that. Yes, they did comedy. But did we just... Daleks are making those. We just want the term space chums. That's that's peak Terry. Classic Terry. But you're right, but you're right, Richard. There is a Dalek somewhere whose job is to make the miniature TARDIS. and all the other Daleks laugh at him, but he's like Sigourney Weaver in Galaxy Quest. I've got one job on this ship and it's stupid, but I'm gonna do it. Ah, yes. Sorry. We're back But didn't you cheer too? Oh, yeah. come back with guns like, yeah, and I do like those little pointy-pokey gun things. They look like something your dad would use at Easter to do the barbeque, but ooh, they really get in. But it's meant to be this thing too, where, you know, what happens when the Daleks are vulnerable? isn't that a terribly interesting new idea that Terry's had for a change and it lasts for 10 minutes into the episode and then they just get other guns and they're fine. I like the think that the, um, the doctor and Sarah have had this conversation about they're going to now share in the punishment and then, of course, a few minutes later, they are now sharing in the punishment. Yes. Foreshadowing dead listener. Uh. Oh, so hold on. So there's 2 Daleks with orange lights. Yeah. From a mini Cooper. They swipe them from a mini Cooper. Though they are mini Cooper lights. Morris, Morris car lights, because, you know, because we are very exact exacting in our nerditude. Yes, no beautiful, beautiful, beautiful. Where are they getting all their juice? I haven't seen many plants. Perhaps they have plantations for rope. Kiss me, Hardy. Yeah, see. You're supposed to think that, that, um... You're just a figurehead. Sorry? Oh, just, you know, did you think at the time that Galloway may have actually had a hand in his injuries? Oh, no, I hadn't considered that, but... I'm getting flashbacks too, being a little boy watching this, you say. But, you know, we do get a bit of building here that these people have, these 2 have known each other for a very long time. Well, they are terribly close. Yes, they. Just had a tiff. There we go. But... You know, we give Terry a lot of stick and he deserves it. He, um, even right from his very 1st story, he's interested in morality, isn't he? He is, but he grew up with the same things that we love. It's Elwell, um, or Bulwer Lytton, E and Bulwer Lytton. His story of, you know, the city, you know, I can't remember the book, but it's the city, uh, and land in the centre of the earth which is also this, that they were, but the British explorers on the 19th century, had discovered mazes, cities of mazes in, in Africa, just like this, you know, they're just built from centuries of dead kings and Todd is, I think we need to pass past the diary. Sorry, I was laughing at John's gurning face. And here they go. Since it wasn't Eccles who started the gurney, folks. Oh, God, no, no, no, no. It was a lovely homage to our John. Oh, pixelons, I've got problems. Todd, weren't you keeping tramp of all of the instances of per tweak earning? Yes, yes. Where are we on? Well, there's only been one door in this so far. And now we jumped to the other side. Oh, it's another rotten, gloomy old tunnel. best. But that was just going to say, nation grew up on the same stories that I love, and we all love, I guess, Edwardian children's fiction. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's what I was going to say about Woolitton. It feels like. He was the man who wrote beneath the rule of men entirely great. The pen is mightier than the sword. Ah. Yes. You learn a lot on these podcasts, probably. We have an educational remit. We do. Like, Jane Baker, the science has to work. So living, bubbling lump of hate. Well, I'm glad I've got my iPad connected to my megabyte modem. Yes. I see. No, I don't. kind of cute. Was Nation the type to throw in? He had his own politics, even though he was, as far as I know, a conservative, but... Yeah, he seems conservative. But that meant a different thing in the 70s too. Well, sometimes the politics gets away from him and ends up being really horrific. I think survivors is a good example of just how appalling and nasty his politics can be. Like Holmes himself and like the others, it's actually the constraints of Doctor Who are quite healthy. for those writers. Well, I think homes is complicated because he will write things that are anti-colonial while being still very right wing. And I think he just thinks colonialism is ridiculous rather than like a serious moral flaw. You can be conflicting in your sentiments and still come out. What were you going to say, Tom? I'm not quite listening because I'm actually watching this. And sorry. No, no, no, that's all right. And I just love the fact that Galloway, is it Galloway? Galloway tries to sort of make buddies with the daleks and say, oh our way of thinking and all that sort of thing and they just dismiss him. Yeah. And I love this fact that, you know, they're working out. Sarah's working out the fact that, well, we shouldn't really go this way because we're going to be sacrificed down here. Yeah, this is kind of the last story for a while where we see humans try to apply human wheeler dealing to the Daleks and try to make a deal with them. I would argue we don't really see it again until remembrance. Um, and it's, it's an interesting idea that Big Finish constantly pick up on, and in the Dalek Empire audio, there are constant toadies trying to save the Daleks. Oh, but we have an alliance. And of course, it's dramatic irony for us because we know as the audience, Daleks don't, Daleks don't make deals, and if they do they immediately go back on them. Have we had a story yet? Deal with the Daleks. Well, there is a... Oh, we've done a deal with the excellence. Not really. Liar, liar. Well, you see, he's going to make a really good deal and they're still going to be part of the common market and they're still going to have freedom of movement and they're not going to have to pay money into the EU. I mean, into the Earth Empire. It's hard perineum. Yeah, yeah. Hard perineum. perine exit. Exit. Oh, no, wait. There's a breakaway group. 2 X's, you see. Exit Lord. Perenium. Dear. I mean, yeah, so here we have the sort of the pragmatic morality versus the, if you like, sentimental morality. And look, lovely middle class, Jill and middle class guy who looks at the camera all the time. They're the people who we're supposed to think are right in this conversation because of, you know, just their class and she's a lady and all of that sort of thing. And Galloway is meant to be wrong, but, you know, that's not how it works out. Yeah. It doesn't also, it also doesn't help that Julian looks like Eric Idol. So you expect him to break. Yeah, burst into song, make a joke. I love how they're Jill and Julian and Jack and sort of lovely names, you know. Jill. I'm Galloway because I'm working class. I like this conversation. Myself mostly. And the weird thing is, also, I'm sure that the ABC version, when was broadcast as a kid, just cuts on, who are you kidding? And there's an American version that cuts on that as well for no readily apparent reason. Ladies and gentlemen, I bring you the London saxophone quartet. I think music's great. Yeah, yeah. Kerry Blighton never does a bad score, I think. I think it's less appropriate in revenge of the cybermen. Has this one go? Probably not at this precise moment. Sorry, dude. Oh, I love the, I love this humour that they have in the face of danger. And, and, um, this is a bit like, um, the 5 doctors, I'll distribute it of reconnance. Wait here. Yeah, yeah. Also, we didn't comment at the time, but I love that bit in episode one where she tells him not to wander off and he immediately turns to the camera with a wicked little smile and wanders off. He's like, oh, that's what this is like. No wonder they do it. Oh, dear. Yeah. Not happy about it, but yeah, fine. No, but again, look how warm she is. Like the smile is lovely. She's just so charismatic. You know, I do feel sorry for April Walker, but I don't think anyone could have played the part better than Liz. For the, for those who aren't aware, of course, Liz Slaton was the 2nd casting choice for Sarah Jane. They started rehearsals with an actress called April Walker, who was a pretty much a 6 foot tall blonde, who you will find in... The Fulty Towers, Psycho. The wedding party, yes. She's Jean. She is. She's also drawn in the annual for this year. They used her photo references for Sarah Jones. Have a look if you've got a copy of it, yeah. Did John get on with her? Apparently, yeah, apparently, well, apparently, according to Barry they didn't have good chemistry in the performance. I don't think it was. I don't think it was a personal matter whether they got on or not but it was actually John who then said to Barry, well, look, you're not asking me about casting decisions. That's why we don't have chemistry. And that led to the, that led to the... He is lovely. This is fantastic. Isn't it great? Beautiful car, beautiful playing too. That led to the famous moment after... It's the root. I had to crash Zoom on a route. Oh end of episode. But yeah, it led to the famous moment where after auditioning Elizabeth Slayton and being very happy with it. Barry said to her, oh, I just need to go get something from the rehearsal room. Will you come down with me? And the idea was to get her to meet John without expecting that she was going to meet John, and she met John, and they talked for a few minutes, and when she turned around to Barry, John immediately raised both thumbs above her head and grinned at Barry and that was how she got cast. And I believe Liz didn't know that for several years. It was several years before John told her. You know, I didn't have final approval, but as soon as I met you, I knew you were right for the part. Now, Richard, is that a bowedlarized and completely non-actionable version of the story, though, it wouldn't have the actual story that we've heard, which... different than that. They were actually... You know what? I just want to say that I really loved this Entitle sequence. I'm happy to hear that every time. I felt about it 5 years of age and I still feel it now. And I wonder if it was just that we were so impressionable that perfect age when you 1st see something. imprinted on it. But I think it's all, I'm so open to the subtleties. If they get it, that keep the story is simple. Yes, it's traduced. We've seen it many times before, but that doesn't diminish its potency. And I think that's where nation wins out. There's simple stories. And just like Joseph Campbell, and just like Star Wars, look how well, they've done with their little franchise, it doesn't hurt to retell an old story. Yeah, exactly. And if you look at the original Star Wars trilogy versus the prequel trilogy, not Stones of Campbell. not talking about any... Velakovsky. We talked about, sorry, have we talked about Velikovsky? I think we need to because that's kind of the root of this and the whole Celtic ledge and stuff at the 19th century, but. Oh, I was just going to say that, you know, those 1st 3 Star Wars movies are simple stories well told. The prequel trilogy, with its focus on politics, loses that simplicity. And it still pays tax. Yeah. Yeah. And he couches in the prequel trilogy. Yeah. A lot of people sit on couches. much like this podcast. It's Cardinal Zorak again, isn't it? But yeah, and, you know, they're like this thing. It's a lovely one. Going in for an attack. Do you feel it's the front of one of those eccentric Bristol cars that from the 1970s, you know, that they were small pieces? Oh, gosh, she really does tear a world, doesn't she? There is a fantastic sequence. Oh isn't he pretty? Actually, there's a cosplay for you, Brandon. Oh, practically. I really wanted him to be a companion. Well, wasn't that actually muttered in the back room? No, no, no, no, no. No, I haven't heard that. Never. No. It might have just been said as a kind thing, but I have heard it said. He would have been really spectacular, wouldn't he? Invasion of the dinosaurs. Before this, of course. has gone down to the sound. I just I just love the way that she's like so nervous around him and he's been, you know, he's a bit of a racist, isn't she? Yeah, and she'll be racist again next story and then apologise for it. She does apologise to Alpha Centauri for judging by appearances. Um, Richard, I'm I'm detecting so... That way leads to... I think we need to take you outside and roll you in mud. Richard, I'm detecting a lot of Mary Tyler Moore in this performance. Now she's going to ask him, now they're friends. I love it. It is very sweet. It is very sweet. Oh, and it's... Oh, I just love them. I actually wanted the Belle Allen Kodal comedy half hour featuring... One of them's Codal. I thought Kodal was that character in numb. He's goat out. Oh, goat out. Yeah, goat out. Sorry. It gives the lecturer. But yeah, the Bell Owl and Goatow comedy half hour. The 2 sil comedy half hour, yes. And they're a couple, aren't they? Oh, yeah. You know, featuring the, ooh, ah, dancers. And this week's discussion topic. Look at them. trying to stop her. absolutely killing it here because they're just standing there in rubber because they don't want to do anything. She's doing some fabulous struggling age. Maybe she's allergic to lighting. Now, Liz, don't go too fast because they won't be able to grab you because something will break. Or break a seal. Look, for a vacuum cleaner hose on a bit of string, it's remarkably effective. We should add that, did you know Holmes changed the name to perineum? And he did say it because it's because the Daleks are a pain in the arse. And what was the original name? Does that say? Terra, Terra, Terra, Terra, Terra. Oh, good shot, sir. I mean, that's a bit... A palpable hit. I think that's a bit. Oh, it's lovely. And it shows that he did rewrite the 1st draft of Hamlet. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's right. No, I must. Yeah. The Peranium was originally the elixir, that's the... So yeah, nation kind of went, no, don't just call it the elixir. Let's give it an actual scientific name and Holmes was like, oh how about, how about, uh, piranium? and Terry Nation said, oh, yes, and Holmes had a little chuckle to himself. It's like his giant fart joke. Crawl. Ha, ha, ha. With the garlic gun. And this is some... Well, you know, I thought this was the 1st time we'd seen a Dalek gun, but of course we now know that we see a Dalek gun in Power of the Dalek. Did you know the excellence were meant to originally be made? Sorry, of the same. The reason they blend into the hills and everything, that's kept in the thing, but they're meant to be a silicon-based life form. I still see them as that. And and just like El Dread and very rare Silicon-based life. Yeah, ovary. They're friends. I was the doctor about to hit them. Yes, he's such an old racist too. I love the way that she makes friends with her. She does, yeah, gaspingly. And you know, very often she'll make friends and be sort of terrified of them. And then when the doctor's terrified of them, she'll tell him all. Run, run, run. It's because Terry was off... Terrence, I'm sorry, was off doing Mimbase 3, wasn't he? So that's why Holmes was left to do this. Yeah. Oh, poor Moonbase three. Loving those rocks. Yeah, all 6 episodes exist, including, including the horrible one where it's like, oh, this guy sexually assaulted you, but we're on the moon. We'll put him in another section of the space base. Okay. Yeah, it's awful. It shows that such things should be left to Jerry Anderson and his wife. Yeah, well, you know, at least they had the guts to kill people in Space 19. I'm thinking of UFO And they had much more lady as well. They'd had lady people, yeah. You know, Jill Tarrant was going to be the leader of the exhibition for this. she and Galloway's parts were actually interchanged, but for some, I don't know why they were swapped, but just because they were so aware of the character of Rebic and the previous story being so dull. I think, I think that Joel Tarrant gets a better, gets a better slice of the action in this than Rebeck did. Because remember, Rebek's only there because she's chased a boyfriend down. And he's very cross at her. Yeah. Because now he has to protect her because she's a useless woman. She'll sprain her ankle at any moment. Yeah. Whereas, you know, Jill has a very important role on this mission. They're looking for this mineral. She's the geologist. You can't even get the cake mix into the oven. It just serves it raw. Jill Tarrant. No one's got nothing nice to say about Jill Tarrant, really. Isn't that pretty fabulous? very pretty. I think she's, I actually think she's lovely and she, and she gives quiet sucker to the rest of the program. Isn't that pretty? rubber bloke here. Yeah, you didn't realise that was a bloke until he moved his head. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, the design works and that. Yeah, so Bryant has, you know, been careful to stick to the concepts. Yeah, it's a lovely sunny day on location. is gorgeous, isn't it? The humans are in blue so you can see them immediately. And even though the Daleks are in silver, so they're reflecting what's around them, they still stand out. Yeah, me too. I like Galloway a lot. He's so pithy and cranky. You might as well be Welsh. Duncan Lamont, of course. Which is why the, there was that leak. The Phantom leak, somewhat. Yeah, the leak is in McGuffin, isn't it? I think it has a much stronger influence on the plot than we've so far realised. I think it might be the beginning of an arc for the season. Gosh, it is a Federation man. Speaking of Federation badges, Duncan Lamont was cast and started filming the Blake 7 episode hostage. But he died during production was replaced by John Abeniri. going to rush. Truly, truly terrible episode of Blake Seven. Shockingly bad. He's he's most... Oh, there they are. He's most famous as the original Victor Caroon in the original Quaitamas experiment. Except for any of us who've never seen that, but, yeah. Have you watched the Coda Mass experiment? Well, the 1st episode is all that exists. Oh, well, it's pro- it's proto-do. It's 50, yeah. The 60s ones are good. It's really dark isn't it? It is really dark and I do have the brightness. And yeah, I love these, you know, Michael E. Bryant as someone who says, you know, with with monsters, he took the sort of Terence Dick's approach of, you know, don't don't film them always in long shot, film close-ups of them, gun arms twitching and eyes and et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. And we just had that in that scene when the Dalek starts talking. We're not looking at its at its ears, which are the talking indicator. We're looking at it's gun twitching away because it wants to bloody murder something. And now we get an info dump, but it's charming because it's from Balal. It's so charming It's a, it's a bit like the, the colony in space backstory though, isn't it? Like a degenerate race of primitives that used to have a advanced technology. But, you know, instead of it being mansplained by the doctor. It's actually being told by some of the indigenous life forms. No, I would have liked to see Pertwee explain his ways through some hieroglyphs in order to get all this information. Oh well, you've got all that to look forward to. Including, actually, I just remembered foreshadowing do listener. This particular episode has one of the most bizarre Doctor Who Cliffhangers. I think the worst Doctor Who, please hang on. Walking is all that's required for now. Yeah, suppose. But that wasn't intentional, was it? No, that's true. Well, it was chosen by the BBC. Where's he going now? He really has spectacular hair for a man his age, doesn't he? Yeah, yeah. I mean, Bilal looks amazing. That's how that's how I do my hair. I do my eyes that way. Yeah, John, yeah, John. God, she just sells it with those little smiles and looks. The reason we have a paint job, apparently, is that Michael Bryant didn't realise and had them repainted as he'd seen them in the Trouton, and Billy stories. They were blue. Oh, yes. Silver, black. And they cooked his all for it. going to work. No, no, no. They're too they're too cute and pretty, so they were done in the black and silver quickly. Which, look, they look properly menacing. And I think he's even given them new slats because... They're not see-through, are they? No. Oh, well, you know, the midsection always has that wonderful gauze which, unless you light it badly, appears opaque. I think even in Genesis, you start to see like some little heads in there. It's true. Well, you ask yourself how you'd feel if you were being assaulted by excellence. I mean, really. Grabbed by the brain? Yes. self-destruct immediately. Salted by your excellence. Imagine actually filming that rumbling secret. Rumbling boot. Oh, this is my favourite. Get out of the water. Get out of the water. It does feel like a really horrible cheap British day spa holiday doesn't it? Oh, no, I've gone too deep. Oh, this is wondering. Oh, it's raining. Oh, oh, oh, oh. I think his seawater defences were a bit lacking on this one. Oh, it's not going to go well. Yeah, they've kind they've got a horizontal wire and a vertical wire. vertical wise, horribly visible. I don't think I've ever noticed it. Oh, well, you see, that's part of the problem in getting these cleaned up for DVD. Is that Terry Walsh? Terry Walsh? That's fine. Probably Terry Walsh on fire. Stuff they made the costumes out of it. Incredibly flammable. So that probably just happened on this. standing to near the radio. They're actually just lucky that the camera was turning over really. Oh, that's gorgeous. Yeah, that's something else. I think like back projection. Yeah, that's like optical. Yeah, that's really gonna work. And now... Yeah, go on, get it. Oh, that's awesome. Look at the thing collapse. tremendous. beautiful. Yay. There's like they've done so much to the location. There's so many extras they've brought like a few wheelbarrows out. You know, they've got a root and some some barrels and things. like I really like it. I think they've gone to a lot of effort and you get a real sense of what that space is like. Yes, yeah. Yes, you do. Oh, what's good? Oh, I know. Because later... Oh, I've seen these films. What happens next? In um, in Destiny of the Daleks, there's some quite good quarry work in that, but because it's so sparse and sparsely populated it's not as effective as this. And I would argue that with all the um, the extras playing Dalek prisoners, there's at least as many people, but it's not shot as tightly as this is. Yeah, and and now we've got this chariots of the god stuff coming in. A bit of education here. kids. Well, it is a, it's kind of a theme of the 70s probably ever since the demons, isn't it, that human society's been shaped by aliens. Yeah, which is the Vondanic and Chariots, the Blonze thing, which actually goes back, again, Theosophist. It's a really nice period in the program's history that is really diving into literary conceits. The mockers on the TARDIS. That's a great name for a band, is it? Yeah, well, I think Liz Layden did say in later years that even though she didn't play it with her Liverpool accent, that she did try to sneak in Liverpool. She threw in, could murder a cup of tea in time. Yeah, we all remember that. Yeah. Good problem and they have a little joke. I love that smile. It's great. No, but I'm Richard, I'm definitely seeing Mary Tyler Moore in her performance. in Sarah's performance, especially the panickiness. I don't know. I mean, she's rep in theatre, so it's possible she did, they, they didn't watch a lot of TV, though. That's true, because they were. So it could actually just be the styling of the time and you might be looking again at bigger films. Yeah that's true. Although... I really like that tube. That is so good, isn't it? The point of view tube. Yeah, the Dalek point of YouTube. It's really great. No electronic compositing or effects node. Just a practical effect. Also, you get a sense of the claustrophobia of the Dalek. I think the only point of view Dalek point of view thing we've seen before is in power of the Daleks, is that right? Well, I don't know if, is that in the original? It is. Yeah, there's some tele snaps of it. Yeah, but it's just like a black circle. Yeah, yeah. Um, there was some in Hartnell stories as well. Okay. Yeah. Well, um, actually, no, we, well, we kind of get a perspective shop, but not with a ring around it when we approach Barbara with the plug and jump. That's more like the plunger comes up into shock. Yeah. Quiet darlic point of view. Nice shot. A ray. Mm-hmm. Yeah, I don't know what they're doing to avoid so much fringing but maybe they're not shooting John's head in it. Well, they're using yellow. And they're also using amber lights. 700, what does the universe? Yay. Yes, it is. Have you been feeling up alien cities without my permission? Now, this is beautiful this moment. Something fine and important for you to do. Because he is actually giving her an important job to do. And he's sending her away for her safety, you know. She's up, what? He's doing he's doing exactly what she's saying he's doing, but also he's saying no, you know, there is something you can be doing. And he's about to turn and go and then he's going to come back and do something, which puts a lump in my throat every time. You know, that's not for here. This is a conversation he could never have had with Joe as well. It's a new thing that Sarah is bringing to the table. Yeah, intelligence, yeah. Show is super competent and terribly intelligent. Here it comes. Here it comes. Like, this is the moment that defines the 3rd doctor in Sarah's relationship. stroking, yeah. Oh, I saw you just put that finger. Don't be... Yeah, that was quite sweet. And I'm just going to grab your throat in case you didn't get the point. But that was quite lovely. I can't see a deer. That's really good shit. It actually was a, isn't that beautiful? But yeah, that was a thank you for putting that up. It was a lovely piece of acting between some... And and it's mostly on Liz. Like, yeah, yeah, yeah. When, uh, straight after he says, you must go, then the, the shot then lingers on Liz and stays on her. And it's, it's the thing that Russell brings when he brings back the new series of telling the emotional story of Doctor Who through the eyes of the companion. And it's something that arguably wasn't as prominent before Sarah. You know, I think I think Joe and Victoria and Barbara all had it to an extent, but I think it comes to the fore really with Sarah. Top sensitiser. So they've invented touchscreens, the excellence. It's nice, isn't it? Multi-touch? I believe they are multi-touch. I think we do see the doctor touching it twice. Thor Rex. Have I said peranium again recently? This is why he would have made a delightful companion. I think I have read this before. It was in Doctor Who magazine, and it could have been Robert Holmes just being cheeky in the way that he does take the maturation out of everybody, but he was home saying, you know, why don't we just ask, well, our character took PB. I sure it was never taken seriously, but you can see where he's coming from. I mean, you could do it now because you could have some sort of like, cloaking device sort of projection thing over. I guess now doll is a bit like that. I, this is... I prefer him to not, no do's, whatever his name is. This was the original Cliffhanger. for this episode. She must have been running very short. It was. And I don't know exactly why it was running short, but yeah. It's a good cliffhanger too. Pop, pop, pop. Apparently the poor actors inside were going deaf, because those guns were so loud inside the costumes. yeah. Um, I believe also this was another one of those moments where during filming they came around. They came around the corner and had to be saying exterminate exterminate, exterminate, and then, of course, John wasn't there. Oh, bugger, lost. Yeah, we've got the um, the, the Blake 7 skeleton gallery. Well, I liked the skeleton in the foreground of that previous shot. Oh, I love this trap room. Do we know what happened to Arnold Yarrow? Whom we are watching right now? He was still he was still around when the DVD came out because he's on the making of talking about the wonderful time he had making it. Didn't he make it, didn't he always make it to 100? I think he died a few years ago. He's lovely. I know he, we left, he retired from acting. No, he did, and he was a script editor for years. I remember that because again, he was interviewed in DWM, but he so he lived a long time. I hate to think any of these people are dead. I don't know what you mean Well, Joey Harrison is, unfortunately here with us, isn't she? No. Oh, stop it. I don't want to play this game because it turns out a lot of people I like are not here anymore. Okay, Arnold's what Tom Baker says. The television is the living being entertained by the dead. Arnold Yarrow is 97 and still with us, apparently. I knew it was ancient. Actually, let me check that about Joy Stewart. She may still be with us. I love this, um, like, maze thing that... go through. And, of course, how does the darling tour? Yeah, it's the same way he makes little cardboard models of the card. Joy Harrison really squeeze his sucker right up. I pity them. The poor excellence who got into here and were by themselves because you couldn't, you need 2 people, want to hold, put their hand in the other to trace, I guess. Oh, Joy Harrison is still with us. Oh, that's right. She's on the DVD, but um, I believe she's on the commentary, but it's pre-recorded bits. She couldn't actually come into the studio. So I think because she still had the bruises from John New. Did you know those guys? Sorry, I had to go back to the Dalek guns when you see them. They're actually proper guns firing blanks, which is why they sound so terrible. Yeah, yeah. They're guns. But they made old BBC. You know how sometimes the video cameras are affected by the sound of guns firing, and you get the coffee stripes along the picture. Like you do get that here. wonderful. Yeah, yeah. Why would they do that? They're firing real blanks, which still can still injure prop... Oh, I know why it's to keep the BBC union boys in check, isn't it? want to do something. Isn't this a gorgeous city, Todd? This just works. doesn't it? And again, you're getting a story within a story. I think it does work. It's very clean Yeah. Our mother would be proud to be, yes. Really? So if you went to a restaurant and they were just sort of one or 2 corpses in the in the dining room, you'd still give it sort of 3 or 4 stars. You'd say it's mostly clean. We're here right now, aren't we? The fact that it doesn't like other entities in it. You'd think that these skeletons would have just turned to dust or they would have got rid of it. The static electricity backup dust at the same time. I think the Daleks are innately clean creatures. Hold on to you. Horses, people, because there's a cliffhanger coming. That's some scariest one of all time. It was so good. Terrence used it again. Fairly ominous floor covering. of tomb. You're right, though. It should have been cut and just allowed to run short because it would have been so exciting. Dun, dun, dun. Oh, yeah, I know. I never got good as a kid. Why are they stopping over that? I think back in the day. I think it was Rob Sheman who said maybe the doctor's just scared of rugs. Could be a thing. It's a proper phobia. It's a DSM four. Rugby, there he is. Go Tal. Yeah, we didn't see the Bilal and Gotal spinoff where you're longed for, did we? No. I mean, they're going to have discussion topics like, you know, um Dalek mining. Is it a health hazard or a great diet plan? On the intensive late night news chat show, yes. Can we have a round? Just like a late line. Can we have a round of applause for the London saxophone quartet? And Michael Bryant for using them again, because you use them, of course, on what was the Revenge of the Cybermen. Yeah, he will later on. haven't we had, haven't we had Mr. Blighton previously on the Salu Rings? You know, I just like to say... No, but he was using a kazoo, wasn't he mostly? Ancient instrument. I'd like to say that I really, really like this opening title sequence. I've never really appreciate... You know, I can hear that as often. I'm going to go home and watch this again in the comfort and privacy of my own video lounge and just immerse myself in it. Play with my cool action dollies. Here it is. I thought you were going to say peranium. Well, that goes without saying. No, I have started building the console room again from the 5.5 inch figures. get photos when I finally get there. He makes such a great companion. Thank you for pointing that out. I think so. I think he would be And do you fear an empty room? It could carry it off. Just for another story or two, just to the end. Do you think Petry does this better than Handel? Oh, yes. I was expecting him to go 3.141. 265. I just love how the original broadcast version of the 5 doctors uses, I believe, Herndel getting pie slightly wrong. So for the special edition, they changed it to a take where Herndel gets the figure for pie completely wrong. Brilliant. Yeah, yeah. No, there's a rounding error. I think it's 539 or something. So, yeah. Before you start saying naughty things about Curry Blyton, he was actually a big coup and there were press releases at the time saying, because he was the, I think he was a Guildhall musician. But he cited another stuff when I did big music at school. At least actually goes on to bigger things. No, who doesn't, he doesn't, he doesn't, he actually gets inside the squares and not just wandering across. Yes, like... You know when you go along the pavement as a kid and you don't want to step on the cracks. Like, it's like, you know, yes. That's why Richard Herndl's later cleaning business didn't do very well at all. Uncheated by that. We should have seen those daleks do that friggin' maze. always annoys me. maze is horrifically easy as well. Yeah, he still seems to be perplexed when there's a very straight kind of, he has to go round one corner and it's at the end. It's kind of... How dumb are those? Yeah. How stupid are those helators? This is lovely. Come on, come on, come on. I mean, God, Arnold. Yarrow is tiny. He's probably shorter than me. It's not possible. disappeared. But his little friend, go tell, was even shorter than him. Yeah, I know, I know. They would have made great Daleks. You would have had to chop one of their arms off, I think, to get them on a bowel, probably. Oh, here we go. Jubilee. And yeah, yeah, Terrence just nicks this entirely for the 5 doctors. Well, the entire thing, you know, like a series of sort of stupid traps to prevent you from getting into the city. It is just a delaying tactic. There's no... But it is a, it is actually, um, a try to haggard. Yeah, so it's not even original to doctor. King Solomon's one. are the pleasures they have in store for us. But they found these are the cities that were found in the middle of African jungles. And there was a whole debate, well, early 20th century, but, you know, this is what these writers grew up on. But the questions of who could have built this because you have the attrition. And it was where the understanding properly came into archeology that civilisations are entirely prone to that 2nd law of the my dynamics. They're always quoting at parties, which is why we have as many friends as we have. But yeah, yeah, that they actually did believe that the people came from the north to build these enormous African cities, but of course they're not wearing pith helmets and they didn't go to nice schools. They couldn't have done it themselves. It's Todd's favourite beach. I find them doing it. I find this hilarious. Like the Daleks response too. Oh, my mate got electric. going to shoot at the thing. She's the bugger off. You think Daleks are Australian? Uh... I would really have heard. It's not even over 9000. It's this proper 60s Stalic stories. I like this way to observe. The Darlings actually get dialogue. You know, they don't have Davros to give all of the dialogue too so that the Daleks can just say cyclocate exterminator. Interesting you say that. I meant thought of Davros once in this story. That's what was different. I can think this is different. Why the diet's talking so much? because Davros isn't in it. They're actually interesting in their own account and they were for quite a considerable time. It's an empty room just in case you didn't notice. The BBC execs love these bits. It's very telling that over at Big Finish for their 1st 4 years. Not only did they not have the rights for Deveros. They didn't seek the rights for Davros until they really wanted to use him. And so in that 1st 4 years, they made Dalek Empire. They made lots of Dalek stories, specifically focussing on, no, you can make a Dalek story without Daros. And then when they bring Davros in, they do Davros, which doesn't feature the Daleks, and I Davros, which doesn't feature the Daleks. So they explored both Daleks and Davros and proved, yes, you can do interesting dialogue with them, Mr. Saywood. Well, I mean, Russell did the same thing. You know, it's it's not until the end of what, season four. Yeah, absolutely. That we get... I love all this. The fact that the girls are together and actually, you know they're going to sort out. Leading the resistance, it's great. This mineral mining thing. Passing the Bechdel test. Yeah, absolutely. And back to back. That's a great shock. Oh, wait, we're talking about the doctor. But but also, you know, these 2 are teaming up. Sarah is a journalist. Giel is a civilian geologist. This is in a story with lots of military men acting gruff. And it's these 2 who form an instrumental part in getting the drug they need on board the ship. Under the noses of the Daleks. It's very, very impressive. I mean, putting aside the fact that I've complained about Joy Harrison's performance before. But why? I remember you did it on the original. I just find it's all very one level. You know, recently we've been watching Rod and I've been watching series 2 of the Avengers, which has Julie Stevens as Venus Smith who isn't bad. Well, particularly her singing is awful to listen to. Not because she's a bad guy. Not because she's a bad singer. She's actually a good singer, but there is no variation. Everything's just sung on the one level. And that's how I see Joey Harrison's performance. It's all on one level. It's not necessarily bad in and of itself, but it's just like, I would like to see some light and shade in there. Do you think the fact that Liz is in this giving a lot of variation might heighten that? That that could also be... Yeah, yeah. Do you think that Jill and Sarah are at home doing the housework while the boys have adventures in the Excellon City? I think the boys are mucking around playing video games in the Exalon City and Jill and Sarah are getting the proper work done. I like this a lot. Yeah. poetry's going to unscrew him if he doesn't put the gun down. Yeah, John's giving it some proper acting here. Wow, which is John acting. And and then and then he gives Bilal a hug. It was like a blinding, like, poor little guy. Oh, it's very sweet. But yeah, that's the thing. I think, as you say, Nathan, it's a delaying tactic. The doctor and Bala are walking on a treadmill until the blot starts again. So Sarah's just like, well, bugger it. get the drug onto the spaceship. But life is often like that. That is true. always like that in my experience. It doesn't feel like a delaying tactic, you know? There's other stories where it feels like a delaying tactic here. Yeah, and I think, well, there's a cause. Pyramids of Mars episode four. Yeah. It is very definitely at the lane. I think I think it's because you've split up the 2 protagonists. So you've got the doctor and a new character in the form of Bilal you've got Sarah with Jill Tarrant. So, Whereas in Pyramids of Mars, you've got the doctor and Sarah together, and they're great together, but you kind of know what to expect. Whereas here you get a few surprises, like Bilal turning on the doctor. Now it's nighttime. And this thing is happening too, with Galloway and Julian having to climb up the top of a thing. Problem is whenever I hear the name Julian, and especially with his performance, I'm expecting Anne and George and Timmy the dog. Yeah. This is the one thing that I kind of think. They've got a long way to climb and it's not like, you know they've got to do this every single time to keep going up and up. They would be exhausted by the time they get to the top of this. A lot of carrying bombs around, just like in Planet of... Hello, Terry. I think these are I think these are even the same bulbs. Great, big bulbs. Yes. And of course, it was after this when he started writing Genesis of Daleks and turned in a draft plot outline that Terence and Barry said, it's an excellent story, Terence, but it's the same one you sold us last year and I'm not entirely convinced you didn't sell it to us the year before that. And to his credit, Terry was apparently mortified when they sat down with the 3 plot outlines together and says, you know, this is where the dialects come in and this is where they carry the bombs et cetera, et cetera. and Terry apparently went, oh my god, you know, I didn't realise I've been writing this story since 1964. She's suffering from Alzheimer's or something. Well, you know, I think... But in Australia, we'd only seen Planet of the Daleks, what, once in the very early 70s, before any of our memory. No, we hadn't. Because it had the black and white episode? Yeah, but that only came later. So we got to see this and Planet of the Spiders and Monster of Paladon. And Time Warrior, kind of almost every 18 months throughout the end of the 70s. But not much else. Yeah. And no Delgados. Straight from spear. Yeah. We got Green Death. We did get a few of Katie's stories, but not... I remember getting those. Yeah, we had 3 doctors, Green Death. I remember Carnival Monsters. I don't know about Day of the Daleks or the mutants, but I remember... We did have Day of the Daleks a few times over. We didn't have the mutants. This reminds me of this guy looking at the Dr. Bell very much of the hand of fear with the other... Oh, Rokon. On looking. Oh, is it Rogon? I like that actually. That does give it something. Now, that person got quite a long way into the city. He was super smart. He's dead. I'm very lucky to get over the doormat of death. Yeah that's true. He probably left. Well, he probably had rugophobia as well. It could. He could have just been one of the cleaners. I don't think they looked after their staff. Little Bell Owls. He's such a liability, isn't he? and he's going to sort of fall over. Oh, here he go. Gurning. It's just a box of flashing lights. It's another as a flashback. Oh my goodness. We're not going into an alternative sideways universe. That is pretty psychedelic. gorgeous. I've forgotten this. Yeah, it's what the cities were all about, kids. It's the same effect that they did for Stevens, isn't it? in um in Green Death. Oh, and there's some Mirlon. They're going all out, aren't they? This is why your mum and dad used to go quite 8 at Christmas because those lights, which all of that, the whole thing. That's really, Todd's actually starting to spit out green pea soup do you listen? It's getting a bit scary in here. I have to remember. Oh, that's funny. bad. That's bad. He looks really haggard there. That's the moment. He's decided to quit. This is the last... It was. What did he do for another 30 years? He did that who done it show? immediately afterwards, and that's it. And then Woozle Gummidge. Yeah, well... Well, he loved it, and children loved it. But, you know, he said, I was honoured when I, by the fans when I did this and, and when I did Wizel Gummage, children used to come up and pinch me. But remember, like, you know, by the time he finishes gum engine that he's in his 60s, you know, like, you know, so retirement, you know. Oh, dear. Did you put farting noises on this too? That's awesome He was a Jedi all the time. Gentlemen, I have a question for you when you when you 1st saw this in the... Current of air. Yes, come on. Did... Well, 1st of all, did you have a television at the time and 2nd of all, did you see it in colour? Yes, yes. 78 So colour TV comes to Australia in 75. Yes. Yes. So I definitely saw it. Oh, it's a pre-orac, Aurac. I think we'd had this in 77 as well. Look, I'd have to go back and check. I only ever remember this in colour and I'm a couple of years younger than you guys. We got a colour TV series. One series 7. No, a couple. Um, this was actually, I'm asking because I'm, I've been looking up, um, broad DW cast. And according to that in New Zealand, this was the 1st story transmitted in colour in August 1976, Australia 1st transmitted it in April 1975. Now by... That's when we 1st saw it, yes. Well, I didn't. didn't see it till 78. No, that was my 1st season. I saw the 75 season And um, The ABC had been sent it in 1974 as a black and white print, but it appears in early 1975. They said to the BBC, could you please send us colour tapes. So this may also have been one of the very 1st ones broadcasting colour. This could make a sense as to why we kept seeing those pertly ones because they were the colour ones. Yeah, yeah. Planet of the Daleks because episode 3 was in... I like this. gorgeous, isn't it? It is one of the great moments. This is where my childhood copy cuts out. Oh, it's dear. Meanwhile, they've made a very good progress and that, the bottom of that beacon, too small. No, I agree. But that's only because the space bottoms are so large in comparison. Oh, okay. It's a forced perspective. Which bottom do you prefer? If I had the choice, neither. Okay. If I have the choice, the bottom of the building. They are the bombs. Are they the bombs from? No, they are different. They aren't they are a completely different prop. That's what I thought as well, but they are a completely different problem. And they do they do stick on rather... Oh dear. We moved on. wobbled a bit. The memory cheats because from the last time I watched this about a year ago, I don't remember that warble. let me do it. Yeah, stop messing about. It's like that, isn't it? too, paddock. One charge is enough, chance. So he's already planning to sacrifice himself nobly, isn't he? Bless him. I'm not sure about that. But he has a plan. He just wants to blow something up, probably. Maybe. Because it was already one step ahead of Ronald D. Moore's cylons then. Yeah, he has a plan. not just making it up as he goes along and telling everyone he has a plan in the opening credits. Stephen Moffat. I have failed. Self-destruct. I mean, really? This is the most pizza female prisoner that's... Yeah, so hardly matters. So he they're very sexist. This is a big crap. Thanks, Terry. Yeah, this is the most pathetic Dalek death since Frankenstein split water part. Sorry, Frank, sorry. I think Bob Holmes hated this, hated the Dalek so much. just went I'm just going to leave this in because it's got Terry's name on it. I'm going to save that. Oh, no, this is where my copy cut out. Because that line doctor, I think you should come now, is etched on my memory. I actually think that the fringing, the CSA fringing on those antibody things actually works. It does. It makes them seem like they're not sort of fully there. Which that exist. But now, no, they just look terribly cheap. Oh, and maybe this is where John, it's enough is enough. Do we think that's Terry Walsh? Not at the moment. No, no, no, not John. Like one of the antibodies is probably terrible. Oh, okay. Yes, they are. Terry Walsh and Stephen Ismay. There you go. Stephen Ismay played an excellon as well. And now... Funnily enough, they weren't credited on screen for these roles but they were credited in the radio times. And they got a BAFTA age. Interesting, subtle differences. Oh, really? They did, yeah, yeah. Not a hot meal at the BBC canteen. Assessed, assessed. They're such racists, aren't they, honestly? Stephen Ismay played loads of, um, loads of monsters and guards in the Pertwee era and also a few in the Tom era. He was going to be either a Krag or a denizen of Shada as well. And his last appearance was as a security guard in time flight. Wow, we should go back and redo those episodes and keep an eye out for him. Yeah, well, you see, it's because he also appears in a Matt Smith story and throws himself into the doctor's timeline in order to appear at various points in history. That's such a great story. I didn't know Clara was in this story. He's the impossible guy. Actually, she probably is. Where is the hand of Mofford? Oh, the Dalek just got hit. There's Clara. During her bulimic phase. It was unfortunate. So it was her birthday just very recently. Really? Clara, RTD and I share a birthday. Oh, really? The actor, the actress, otherwise known as... She's 32, isn't she? She was born in 1980. My goodness. She's younger than you, Brendan. Yes. And she's already been Queen Victoria. Well, you've had G, she's age badly. Presents more laid, pathetic medal. Where is Jill? He needs a good night's sleep, doesn't he, Julian? The bags under his eyes. They're huge. I know you wouldn't get onto economy with those, would you? And that belt is very high. The belt is very high and he's got a he's got a knee holster. Well, he's got dodgy knees from all that. Scrubbing. Oh, dear, but loud. No, the sets and the costumes are gorgeous. Oh, that's a great publicity shot there. Yes, that's it. That was in lots of our. That was in the newspaper at the time to advertise it was on. Arnold Yarrow was trying, his agent was trying to get him more work with that shot, saying? In that outfit? Watch this. He was the same... I love it. I love it. She's just so good. What's it like hugging a human rock though, I don't think. Pet rocks were a big trend in the early 70s, yeah. But in the background, like he's explaining things to Sarah lovely. Spits of you while I point because that's doctor acting. I mean, yeah, he's taking he's taken Jill's hand. So John and Joy must have got on because there's nothing really in the script between the 2 characters and I'm trying I'm trying to think of a, a female guest star that the doctor, that the 3rd doctor acted sort of paternally towards. And I'm really struggling. That one, the ambassador at the end of, um, the curse of peloton? That's quite good. It's quite good. Do you mean do you mean he acted patriarchally towards her in that he stole her job for 4 episodes? Oh, it's so exciting. Beacons destroyed. It's nice watching these in isolation. After seeing them in sequence. He's having a moment there, isn't he? We're getting a bit of presaging that I hadn't noticed before. I think each doctor. We'll see what happens this year with Capaldi as we're recording this just as I'm waiting for the 3rd Capaldi story to come out. But each doctor seems to presage his own demise in a lovely, subtle way. Billy certainly did. Tom definitely in season 18. And yes, I'm getting moments of that with John. It's quite poignant. John was also very annoyed during the making of this story. Why is that Why? Because the usual studio schedule involved 2 consecutive recording days once a fortnight. Yes. And comet. So each day would essentially do one episode. In order to save wear and tear on the set, Michael Bryant decided to shoot, as you would with a feature film, everything on one set and then moved to the next set. And that really annoyed John because of course, you know, he'd been working with the previous method for 4 years. But economic. It's economic and it saves the set. John was just incredibly lazy. It's also the filmic way of acting. Exactly. It's a professional way of doing it. Very magnanimous of the daleks, not to blast them. Just shoot them, for God's sake. I think they like to leave them. Now their saucepan or whatever it is. That's why they should have been Batman villains as well, because they quite like leaving them, that lovely thought of the base of the spine thought of leaving them racked in pain as they bugger off. Yeah, we'll strap you to this death machine and then go away. Yeah.com. yes. They don't have perennials. Yes, and I like how John doesn't know it either. They've saved the day, but John doesn't actually realise that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I should never trusted Galloway. He was clearly working class. They really are terror hawks uniforms. Oh, love and love it. Millennial pink knob. Well, you know what? If it's only going to be on screen for 30 seconds. Just make it basic and functional. She sat there and thought, how do daleks twiddle knobs with those? Oh, and... And how did they make those little darlet water? What favourite sound is happening at the moment? here we go. Come on Galloway. You can do it Why can't you just set the timer on the fricker? Oh, they could have found it. Oh, what, and not him? And actually, that's a Michael Bryant thing where you cut to the explosion. then you have just a quick cut to someone who's being exploded and then cut away again. It's yours, my dear. Go to acting 101. Get your piranium where it is. Get at your piranium, my dear. Great. The sound of this. Those close-ups are great too. Ooh. Oh, it's like going to Janolan Caves. Oh, that's really good. beautiful, isn't it? And yeah, it's just the old trick of polystyrene sprayed with alcohol. Acetone. acetone. Your mom's nail polish remover. Gee, it didn't really store much energy to save itself, did it? No, actually, good point. Oh, Sarah makes it work. It's also nice to have it not explode. I think that's kind of Yeah, that is nice. That is nice. She's here. Oh, here we go. Freeze frame. Comedy ending. Does it end on John's face? Yes. The thing is, it's a joke ending, but joke endings work when they're not just filled with fake laughter afterwards. I'm finding that was Space 1999. season two. That's that's Freddie free. You know, I really think that the new showrunner of Doctor Who should try and show us the other 699 Wonders of Universe. I don't think he wants. Fights arranged. written by he gets another credit. Interesting, because when this goes out, we might actually know more about the new seat. Oh, yeah. Oh, that's been cast. Jennifer Saunders. Well, I hope you've enjoyed that, listen. I love Colin Green's work. You have something to tell us, I think. 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