Kinda Lingers

Hello, dear listener, and welcome back to Flightthrough Entirety the only Doctor Who podcast coming to you live from the Dark Places of the Inside. I'm Brendan. I'm Nathan. I'm Steve Strange, Fading to Grey. I don't know what that means. They're with us. And we're about to discover if paradise is a bit too green for us as we embark on a doctrine story, properly written by King Bush Kinder. It's not written by King. It's good. Well, this is... This is actually the word for world is forest, isn't it? This is another one of those Leguin books, or it's Heart of Darkness, if you like, or it's the book I've got around my hot little hand. Uh, Chinua, Achebe's Things Fall Apart. Or it's the face of evil, or it's the Daleks. But what is it? It kind of lingers as it does in your memory, this episode, doesn't it? I think it's kinder as many an ABC announcer would call it. I think this is the best of the season. Definitely it is. High concept and writing and all the rest of it. And performances. as well. Yes. Unless you're under 10, in which case it's the most silly boring thing you've ever seen. Well, it came 4th or something in the Doctor Who poll immediately afterwards, the Doctor Who magazine poll, is it a season? Botty 18 year olds who thought Time Flight was the greatest Doctor Who story in living memory. Yeah. I have to say, I loved this at an under 10. You know, it was another one of those ones where maybe I didn't necessarily understand everything like Legopolis, but I was swept up in imagery. You know, I didn't have that vocabulary then to explain what I enjoyed about it. But I think that's what it was. This is where we get to Joseph Campbell, talking about, again, in his hero, having a 1000 faces or his creative mythology series which is an encyclopaedic discourse, where you don't need to know the antecedents, because you're born with them, and the stories not just the Jungian being born with them, but the stories are repeated in so many different levels all throughout your life, that when you actually get visage doing their video, fade to gray looking exactly like what happens to Tegan, when she sits alone under the plastic mobile, going off into a darker unconscious, we can all do the accent, yes. But it acts exactly like an 80s video, and all the better for that because this season, not actually since Billy and Paddy have we had. Oh, okay, John as well with his beautiful glam rock stuff. Have we had something that's so poignant, that's so absolutely of its era? And that's, I think, why people come to it now and, you know, I had to say there was, I was doing a lot of toddlike peeling the plastic off the boxes to watch this series, but including this one. But yeah, there's a hell of a lot more to it. It's a lot more enjoyable. Something I never picked up on as a child. Again, it didn't affect my enjoyment of it, is the 3 figures Teagan meets in her dream world, of course, are representative of the doctor, Nyssa, and Adrick. And also, interestingly, representative of Tegan's lack of scientific knowledge because, you know, they're constantly talking around her and saying things that don't make any sense to her. So it's interesting that we're seeing the other characters through Tegan's perspective for those things. It is definitely a Tegan vehicle, isn't it? Even though she's kind of out of it in a way that nicely. There are so many reflections and mirrors within mirrors of this. Tegan is also playing the, the, uh, the ying to the yang of, um, of uh, Nyssa, who's comatose in the car, in the car, sounds okay. So that scene that you were referencing, Brandon, with those 3 characters, Tegan comes around the corner of a sort of structure and sees the 2 characters playing a board game, which is exactly how the episode starts with... Exactly. With that caravan like structured looking like a deconstructed TARD. Yeah. And then clearly the other character. Yeah, so who's Dr. Duka similar. Those characters are named after the 3 marks of existence in Buddhism. So, uh, Duka, Anasa, and so, um, suffering or dissatisfaction or stress, um, impermanence, and, um, not self, and Polly Wright obviously. Anika. And yeah, yeah, the bloke is call that though. So, sorry, is the bloke is the bloke called Not Self? No, he's called he's called impermanence on she's called not self. So Adric is impermanent. Nissa is not self because she is the woman in the show who is not Tegan. And the doctor is suffering because he's already died. But he's also her suffering and her torment. But you realise that Kinder, this story is also our very podcast. We are also kinder in that we have Brendan, our own Stuart Fell Lee Corns, the fool who brings enlightenment for us all with his jerks. Todd is Mary Morris, obviously. He loves marrying Horace. He's been raving about how great she is. Yes, and bone structure and everything. Nathan, again, just sits in the semi-darkness, having a tired hiss at anything that displeases him, that passes that isn't a pantodromedry. And I guess that makes me Neris Hughes. Oh, Neris. And I'm the one doing exposition-y type questions and talking about German expressionism. And you're the one you're the one who also believes that things are not necessarily as they appear. You go deeper beneath the surface to look for the hidden communication. But in blue stockings and a pair of glasses and a white coat because I'm the Velma of this episode. I was wondering why you were wearing that. Why do they do this? Can we talk about directing for a moment? What's going on? Oh, we haven't even talked about the, okay, we've touched on the inside world and we've got to go back to this. But while we're talking about cast and performances, we've got Richard Todd, and we've got Simon Rouse. I think there are many reasons. This story is very good. Well, obviously, I mean, that's just me and apotheosis, but Richard Todd, who's looking well fit? Thank you. Still can manage to squeeze himself out of a Spitfire cockpit with alacrity, I'd say. That scene where he's delivering dialogue while doing push-ups is just terrifically great. And Simon Rouse is just one, if this is... We haven't had this for a while. This is more hitting on other 80s shows. We have a truly mad villain. There is no villain in this. The closest thing we have is a disturbed young man. Yeah. And now it's not even Matthew Wilderhouse. I will say, though, that as much as Rod enjoyed this story, he actually hated Hindel and Sanders. He just couldn't get his head around why these characters were behaving in this way. Even with... He doesn't listen. never hear this. He just said he didn't like their stupidity. And I tried to press him. Why? And he's just like, no, they were just stupid. I said, but they were mad. No, they were stupid. So, you know, it's interesting to hear the casual view of the mom thing. He still gave the story 7.5 out of 10. That's more than time gives it. This story is, again, sort of like, why, I keep harping on why Doctor Who works because it's so, it's just about every other story we've seen. in out of in outer literature. We already sort of vaguely touched on the Buddhism. I don't think that there is as much Buddhism in it as people say although there is the, you know, the Bava chakra, the wheel of life, the wheel that gets set in motion and that sort of panafirs. Everyone kind of has parley names, all of that. So there's a kind of, there is a superficial sort of Buddhist thing. But there's also sort of themes from Christianity. I mean, you have a snake up a tree throwing apples at a young man who lives this sedentic existence where he doesn't have to work where where food is provided off the trees. Janet was going to woke up with a bowl of apples at her feet. Well, I think they do, they do give offerings to her while she's drinking. Why the hell don't they just bloody wake her up instead of sitting garlands on her? They know you got, if anyone goes a bit nuts and things go wrong if you lie under the mobile by yourself. No, they say they're dreaming of an unshared mind, so maybe they don't realise she's not telepathy. So there's all of that sort of Christian imagery, and they talk about it being paradise and so on, and there's that sort of hilarious scene where Mareth Hughes is tempting the doctor between an Apple as well. Which I think is terrific. And then on top of that, you've got this fabulous binary between essentially, it's like a male hierarchy that's characterised by people shouting orders. It's characterised by plans to destroy things, and it's characterised by building shelters. So you've got the dome, you've got the city, the cardboard city that Hindle creates. You've got the TSS, you know, boxes and shelters. Even interacting with the world, you have to build a character, a false, false self. By contrast, you've got the Kinder who are explicitly said not to build shelters because the temperature is so temperate. They don't have to work, the men don't have voice. But they do have fillings. They do have feelings. So they do, there is obviously higher culture. They still caring on this. Yeah, that's right. Unless Dr. Todd has, you know, gone, oh, that's a bit nasty. You've been eating a bit too many river fruit. Yeah, have you feeling? So you have this contrast. And what happens to the kinder is, of course, once Aris is possessed by the Mara, the kinder start to turn into something that has hierarchy and build shelters and has men barking boards to destroy things. You know, he'd build... The boys, isn't it? Yeah, so I think that that's really strong and that's all tied up with themes of colonialism. You've got Sanders wearing a pith helmet, you know, saying if McKindra are so smart, why didn't they come and, you know, colonise us? So I think that there's a lot going on and it isn't really a Buddhist parable. No, it's a lot bigger than that. And, you know, this one was mine, so I spent a bit of time looking at it and looking at the other things that it comes from. I mentioned before, Chinoa, okay, these things full apart that came out in 1958. This sold 10000000 copies and this is my pick of the week. And the reason I think that this book actually talks about, Chris Bailey was a lecturer. He was famous for standing around, constantly smoking, talking to young people, kind of like we would if smoking was actually still okay. But the thing for me for kinder is just what you're saying, society art, culture, and the structure of these fine relationships that we build between all of these things isn't always was, and always will be, fragile, and by its own nature failing, we build to fail. Even love dies as life passes. And this is about the internalisation of the narrative unto the unfolding of self. So this is about how we deal with the flux and the anxiety and the grieving of, of failing, of destructuring. But then you have the women saying, the only 2 with voice, as it starts off, saying, it's a wheel, it turns. These things are always in progress. All you can do is to sit back and contemplate. And watch. That's the only way you can actually find sanity. But then, the men will say, you allow that to happen, and there is chaos, there is destruction, and there is suffering, and there is pain. This doesn't present an answer, this story. Because it can't. This would seem to be the 3rd story running, where things are perfectly fine, until someone tries to impose an external order upon them. Or he's just the doctor is just the trips which are in this case Tegan, for moving things to the next stage that they were going to come to anyway. Oh, I don't necessarily mean the doctor. And his lot. I mean, the human colonists in this case. A monarch in the previous story, and the master in the story before that. Now, you could, of course, argue that the master and Adric created Castrovalva, but Castroval was perfectly nice and happy and peaceful, until the master insists that it must serve its purpose rather than just letting the people live out there, admittedly fictional existences. Monarch is determined to invade Earth with these people he's kidnapped instead of, you know, allowing things like love or free will, you know, he's constantly stabbing those things out. He doesn't know what love is. He can just flip a switch and free will is gone. And, you know, here, you've got, as you were saying earlier Sanders says that, you know, if they're so intelligent, why didn't they come and invade us? Well, maybe they're more intelligent because they don't need to invade places. Yeah, we we talked a lot about, you know, season 17 having an overarching theme about the individual. And then, you know, we talked about how it kind of continued in season 18, and it has really just occurred to me listening to you talk, Richard, that maybe season 19 has a bit of that theme in it as well, had a bit of a bit of the idea of, What we define as progress as a capitalist culture and a consumerist culture may not necessarily be so. Yes, and you can say this, Doctor Who, and still be referencing the story on the TV. I just think it's such a shame that Tegan's Triptic, in her mindset, didn't win Eurovision that year. They were so close. They won the next year, didn't they? Who do we think was robbed in Eurovision this year? I think So Hat from San Morito was robbed? It can't even afford socks. He wasn't going to make a bit of one. What do you want to say about the rest of the rest of this story then? We've gone into the deeper things. So what do we think about? We haven't we haven't touched on the horny proposition that is. Taking? From the sublime to the ridiculous or vice versa in this case. She was terrible in fortitude say, and she's marvellous here. Some crack cocaine. Raunchy Madden. Marvellous might be a little bit of an overstatement. No Doctor Who companion since Sarah Jane in the hand of fear has had the opportunity to play this kind of evil character. You know, even Lala Ward in full circle. She wasn't the full-blown talking, scheming. You know, she was acting on instinct. She was a beast, beastly beast. But, you know, I would actually say that Janet Fielding in this surpasses Eldred possessed Sarah Jane. This is the 1st libidinous character we've actually had in Dr. Who Vivian Fay doesn't count. This is, I think, actually Professor Rumford probably only comes up as second. Okay, Lady Adrasta. But even then, not really. No, in fact, the torture's been passed quite strongly from Eileen Way to Janet Fielding. It's not on fire. Do you remember those red pills that you had to chew to make? Go to your parties. To determine whether you had plaque on your teeth or not? and they would turn the plot. Like, so you have to, so you chew one of those before you become a Mara, obviously. She, like, she's doing the accent as the Mara. You know, she's trying to do an English accent and not doing it very well. She's doing Gloria Swanson. Pride of her career. Look, she is she is pretty funny and I actually think her best performance is in the scene where there's 2 Tegans and they're talking about their past and there's no edits there. So it's really well timed. Yeah, they managed to get it sort of happening really well. Yeah, and I think I think that's down to down. it's also down to the fact we've got Peter Grimway directing again. Yeah, we really have jumped from last story, haven't we? Yeah, and you know, a lot of people... How does this whole thing play out? confused as much as she is? Yes. A lot of people talk about, you know, how Graham Harper is the best classic series director and certainly I would say it's the most stylish, but in terms of balancing getting the show done and getting it done with a certain level of style and with excellent performances. It's Peter Grimwade for my money. Well, there's a very different style of directing justice, SF traditionally, is seen about the externalising of theard to culture, SF, is, you know, the promulgating of future in a hard way. This is the internalising. This is more the fantasy writing or the stuff that had been around for 10, 20 years post-tolken about what happens when you, when you go on a personal odyssey or an internal, internal journey. Can we use the J word? Chicken's definitely on a J word in this one. But also, I think when she comes out of it. When the Mara has left her and her performance for the rest of the story. You know, there's a lot of subtle emotions in there, there's remorse, there's guilt, there's fear. And especially that wonderful bit towards the end where she's looking at the Mara in complete disbelief and says it's, but it's gone now, isn't it? And the doctor won't answer. Yes. Well, it was her Mara. Wasn't anybody else's mine. It was produced from her, and the Mara is always on the Mara. She calls it. There's a lovely song that they used to sing about that song. It's a lovely wartime song about the biggest marrow that I've ever been seen. Holding a couple of prize maraths? Yes, she references that in the next story. Big marrow that was right inside my head. Anyway, yes, yes, she does. Oh, dear. She does get a really terrible scene with Adrik, which it is... To one extent. Yeah, to literally the episode was underrunning. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, you know, that was recorded while I was shooting Earth Shock and it's all Sabord's writing. Yeah, see, it sounded like... And Bailey said, take my name off this because this is not, I have to stand up in front of students and they will quote this at me. I actually have a career outside of your tortury prod. Oh, he did. He didn't say that. And so, well, we had to put it, it's excruciating. And that's the reason why it was much as we might say nice things about Mr. Seward, if you want to say things that are nice and nice to say, right? Well, he also wrote that scene. And look at how at how at odds it is, with the delicacy that's going on in the rest of this story. And it just, gosh, just doesn't sit. There's literally no point to it at all. No, they're just rehearsing plot points, like they're describing what's been happening in previous scenes, but we've just watched those scenes, you know, and so all it is is just fake manufactured conflict on a single set, it has nothing going for it, and it's going to increasingly become a feature of the program. And there's 10 minutes cut out of this story. Is it on the video? Did you bother? mean, did you watch it? I believe there are deleted scenes. Yeah, none of those scenes could be pushed back into part four obviously. Speaking of part 3 slash part four, There is that the beautiful dream sequence with all the clocks. And, you know, was what was what we saw real or imagined. Yes. Oh, you know, that's chilling, chilling stuff. I mean, this is another one that scared me as a goof, but it was a good kind of scary. And the best moment as a cliphanger that we didn't actually get was that clock that falls into the column and the estate boys spent half a day rigging it up, shot, it was perfect, and then the texts on the studio, said, no, 10 PM nights off. And that was a very big letter up to 6th floor. Yes. However, I do think the white out on Mary Morris's face is very effective as well. She shot that all in one day. She drove, get this, drove from her house in a, probably in a, in a white mini moke with a frilly top because she was the best number 2 in the prisoner of all time. Dance of the Dead, I believe. It's actually kind of, it's the women's episode. So, of course, they're all vile to each other and they end up being horrible to me. I'll be back to mean girls again. Yeah, she drove from her house in Switzerland and was only available for the one day, so everything she shoots is just on that date, yeah. She is terrific. and she's quick? Really? And the young girl they have playing Coruna. She gives an excellent performance as well. Actually, I really don't think she does. No, really? high school girl acting. She is a high school girl. But you see, she reminds me of my cousin I had at that age who babysat me. So for me, it's a completely realistic performance. I find her sensitive and vulnerable and emotions seem to be genuine, especially when she's touching their faces. obedience over and over again. Oh, that's scary though. That is so scary. Because, you know, it presents modern, isn't it? It presents the idea that she's a telepath. But that means she could also be influenced by the thoughts of others as well as read them without it, without us having to say without, you know, giving the doctor the line of, oh, so you can be influenced by the thoughts of others as well as reap, you know we're not in expositional hell yet. Although we haven't got to a 7 fathers yet, have we? I love that too. Oh, sweet. That's very sweet, especially Todd's reaction to that. That is the character of God. This is going to get confusing. I think we should just keep on calling a neris. Speaking of... I'd like to think it's called Todd Nero. I'd like to think it's a cultural thing and that's just part of the tribe is that you can have seven. I mean, who knows about their reproductive cycles. Cats can have several fathers. Do you know that? Yes, perhaps she's a cat. Now, I just like the fact that she thinks that it's sad that the not we only have one father. each. I think that it's her reaction to our arrangement, which is quite lovely. As good as Tegan is in this one and Adrix, you know, Matthew Waterhouse isn't bad either. He's a great acting coach to Richard Todd, isn't he? So for those of you who don't know, dear listeners, Peter Davidson Janet Fielding, and Sarah Sutton dined out on the convention circuit for years talking about how Matthew Waterhouse once walked up to Richard Todd, who had a bloody Oscar. Thank you. And spoke to him about camera technique and how to, and apparently she was great great. Richard Todd just said, oh, really? Oh, thank you. Thank you. Now, Matthew's version of that is he doesn't actually remember the conversation, but he says, you know what? If I did do that, I'm a complete pillock. But he says, I think what is more likely is that if Richard was asking a question I knew the answer to about the multicamera setup I might have jumped in with that answer, but he says, look, I don't remember, but if I did that, yeah, Mia Culpa, I was an idiot. Other people do remember. And the story goes that Richard Todd was being dissembling and self-effacing and say, well, you know, I haven't actually done a lot of television. And he actually hadn't. He hadn't done television since, I think, was it A for Andromeda? He dumps SF back in the 60s. So yeah, he's a film actor and a stage actor. So, so he was being sort of polite and also trying to bring himself down to everyone else's level because, you know, it's Richard Dodd. easing himself out of a spitfire. So you've then got, you've then got Matthew, right, just as an eager young puppy wood dashing up and saying, oh, well, you do this and you do this and you do this. And it was actually that everyone else on the set was being a bit arsy and enjoying the moment. Matthew was actually being reasonably polite and Todd took it that way. I've read the book, and my memory, and I may be misremembering this, is that Matthew says that it was a joke. Oh, okay. You're probably more accurate than I, because I think I'm quoting a DM interview from 20 years ago. Well, he might have lost. Well, he would story. Yeah, he did. That's not what I was saying, you know, I'm all for gossip, so let's just... for its own sake. On the topic of Nerris, though. Nerris. You know, you've got, you've got Janet, you've got Matthew. You've got Nissa in the Tartis on the Delta Wave Augmenta, or have we noticed from the parting of the waves in the new series? The Delta Wave is a device you in them when you want to unlock someone you don't like in a room for a whole episode. It is too, isn't it? Did you feel as a little boy, both of you, that you were actually this is, literally just come back to me now, this memory. So there you go, spooky moment. I felt a bit gutted that Neris didn't join them. Yes. You know, I wanted her to go on board and they could have just left Tegan where she was. She will come back. She is in an episode of Torchwood called Something Blue, where... She wears those stockings again. No, I think she's is she Reese's mother? Yeah, I think so. But also there's gonna be gonna be a fair share of characters across the 5th doctor's era where you go, you're far more interesting than the companions we have. Can we have you? Oh, wait, no, you're staying. Well, the bar's not very high, is it? No, no, it isn't. Just something we won't fight as much. A grown-up as well. You know, like a competent grown-up who is, there is an attempt with Tegan, isn't there, to give the doctor a foil, you know, she's sort of strong and stuff, but because the performance at this point is so weak and because the writing is so poor. you know, it doesn't really come off. But Neres and the doctor are wonderful together. Yeah, just terrific. I'm adult to work with. Yeah, they have their disagreements and it doesn't descend into a screaming match, you know, which will be a problem for the rest of the time Eric Seywood is on the program. Yeah, we can't actually blame anyone else. It's certainly not the directors. But it does feel as if we've got kids doing dress ups, playing tartars. It doesn't help, the costume thing doesn't help. That becomes more relevant. They are action figures. That's literally why they're in those costumes. Except we never bloody mean, never got them. Not even now. No? Isn't there a Tegan season 19, actually? There is not. I think that might be because Janet just looked... And you want to know something very uncharitable? Yes. Are you sure, Richard? Doctor Who action figure customises find it very easy to make an adric. Out of the Laszlo from Daleks in Manhattan. Oh, pig boy. There's so much we could add on to that. Do they keep the tail? Oh, I was about to say, I did try to buy a few Waterhouse a drink once, but I didn't. I lost my nerve. I think I bought Richard Franklin a drink. Hmm. Therein lies a fishing tail. No, you see, I was safe because I was there with my friend Craig who is quite unreasonably attractive. Just dressed as an extra from the underwater menace. At times. I haven't got a Richard Franklin action figure either. What did the kids say about adapting, though? What can you use for? You know what? I think it's very telling that the upcoming It's a sushi? The upcoming Titan comics, 3rd doctor, photo cover figure features John Bertwee, Elizabeth Sladen, Katie Manning, Carolyn John Nicholas Courtney, and John Levine. cruel, isn't it? Damaris Hyman? No. But Olive Hawthorne, White Witch is coming soon from BBV production. And an action figure. I want my Tegan action figure. I do. So unfair, isn't it? Her hair was insured for $10,000. Did you know that? Really? couldn't they have just bought another one? Couldn't they have just stapled another rat to her head in Janet's own words? Yeah, they're terrible, their extensions. I mean, it was really, it reached its absolute nadir in Fort of Doomsday, where she's got sort of Catherine Shell style side there. It's still pretty terrible. settled down by the end of the season. I just love that the mauve just keeps washing up and they just paint it all under a chin and just started the eyelash and just paint them all up to the eyebrows. I can just paint a whole freaking head purple. Boone's bottom, Janet. I actually love you. I've still got the bruise. One thing we haven't discussed is the snake trapped in the mirrors. Oh do we have to? Oh, yeah, we do. This isn't a good ending because it doesn't really come out of anywhere no one really learns anything. It's just a bit of magic about mirrors and some apology and stuff. So it's Because we need to have a cliffhanger. It's not a great ending. And we watched this in Doctor Who Club at school and I was a little bit apprehensive about the giant plastic snake. You didn't show them the CGI? I did show them the CGI alternative afterwards, but I did want them to, because the CGI alternative, which is on the DVD, is an alternative track. And it's terrible as well. I think so too. I actually think it's worse. It's much less fun than Aras wrestling with a rubber snake and then... Which is actually very dawn trench. And Jennifer Saunders having a fight on the set of lucky bitches and Jackie Collins, isn't it? It's really, I mean, it... And they surround the snake with mirrors, but the snake is so tall that it can't actually see the mirror. No. by the end, it's... But it is, like, who cares? You know, like that's a sort of dodgy effect. I mean, we haven't mentioned the studio floor kind of listlessly strewn with leaves. It's the 80s. I wouldn't even say it's Doctor Who. Every show did that. It is. I mean, but it does look terrible. And if you compare this forest to say Campbell or Zita Minor, or even God help us, Khan. You know, it's less... Kemble is amazing in David. Oh, my God. No, that's what I'm saying. those three. Isn't it extraordinary? But again, that's pure obscure that's being able to use monochrome Doctor Who looks so much better. Yeah, well hello. But this set is not as good as that. The snake looks terrible. The tattoo snake that crawls from one arm to another is awful as well. Arris's teeth, Arris's teeth. Janet Mary Morris's head. But those are all expensive special effects that don't quite come off, I think. But who cares? It's Doctor Who. It's well written. It's got some great acting. Peter gets called an idiot, and that always makes me feel good. The kids roared with laughter every time Mary Morris called. Shut up, bitch. See, we're laughing now. It is my favourite of this season, but not for the visuals, just for the fake. Look, this is the point. You can have lots of favourites of this season and lots of reasons. Reasons. This is the most varied season so far. And we're only 3 stories in, that I've seen in Doctor Who, for golly gosh, how long? I think they tend to agree with season 18 as well. But this is very, but I think this is just the strongest because it's got the best guest cast. It's well written. It's a star cast as far as Doctor Who's considered, yeah. And it is well directed, despite the odd production floor. Look, I think the script is great. I think the performances are great. You know, yeah, production values, but as we've said so many times before, if you're going to write off Doctor Who with the production values, we wouldn't have made 80 up to episodes of these podcasts so far. But I, which we up to now? Are we bringing out a magazine? The Tom retrospective was 75. So this must be 78, I would say, or no, 79, including K9 and Company. But I would like to leave this with a quotation from the discontinuity guide where they talk about goofs in the story and they say, we would mention the snake, but it's the reason why fanboys rate this story so little. If the Mara is a creature of false fears, then it's apt that it's real form is a poor origami monster. I think we should have a mock fight. Well, dear listeners, as we take off from Diva Loca, we're still trying to get Tegan back home, and we'll be back next week for the visitation. Until then, please find us online at FlightthroughEntirety.com flight through entirety on Facebook and iTunes and FTE podcast on Twitter. Over on Bondfinger, James Bond is also wrestling with fake snakes during the Roger Moore era, so you can find that on Bondfinger com. Way to speak of James Sing. Popular in her day. Poor Catherine Shell. Bondfinger.com, Bondfinger on Facebook and iTunes and Bondfinger cast on Twitter. I'm probably doing some crazy stuff possibly involving a snake. Who knows on Doctor Who in 10 seconds on YouTube as well. Please come back next week and share us with everyone in You Know and Love. And until then, may none of your purple snakes enlarge when presented with a circle of mirrors. Thank you very much for listening and good night. Good night. Good everything. Did you just say that? That was Flight Through Entirety with Nathan Bottomley, Brendan Jones and Richard Stone, theme arrangement by Cameron Lamb. This episode, Kinda Lingers, was recorded on the 28th of May, the next episode will be released on July 3rd. Doctor Who will return to political commentary in the 1st story of series 10, the Brexit of Paladon. Really? Well done. Mescently. Are we still doing phrasing?